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Exposure to reality can be intimidating to snowflakes; what they should have learned, instead of indignance, is that reality is not always fair and to never give up the fight in a REAL life or death situation.
 

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Realistic active shooter training...

I think what these sheltered folks were expecting was for the training officers to realistically act out an actual school shooting by hand-delivering Starbucks coffee to each teacher, while asking them if there was anything they could do to make them more comfortable while they waited for the 'authorities' to arrive to save them, and thus complete the training...:rolleyes:


Seriously, though. If there were four of us against this wall, and one cried out in surprise and/or outrage at getting shot with a painful projectile, I would think that instant anger would lead to immediate retaliation against the shooter by the others, before the same thing happened to them---that's just a normal response, right? Not to mention, the missed opportunity to rush the shooter 4-on-1 before kneeling at the wall to begin with. Isn't that what training should be about?

It's no wonder our country is in such trouble, with these sheltered misfit idiots having brought up and taught the last generation or two of our youth.
 

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Shot four!!! times

Arriving home after a force-on-force class, I recall counting: 36 welts on my torso; six bleeding scratches on my support hand; and a bruise under a finger-nail. The welts were where a plastic AirSoft BB hit the breathing holes in the body-armour. The scratches a BB hitting skin with bone right underneath. Until writing this post I’d tell interested students this, considering these minor injuries a significant part of the learning process (and bragging - “You oughta seen the other guys.”). The most valuable lesson being:

It’s more important not to be shot than to shoot.

Seeing this in writing, I see it may not have been the most effective sales pitch.

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Think they learned anything??....nah.
Unfortunately, I think they just hate guns more. Especially the wussy that “complained”. Just more of the “run away from the bully” crap. What level of altercation does it take to make these pansies fight back? Or isn’t there a level? They should be asked the question before they even start the exercise, “do you intend to just die quietly curled up in a ball of snot”, or is your intention to at least TRY and fight back? Pick up a damn desk, use it as a shield and rush the guy, throw staplers, shoes.........something!
 

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Seriously, though. If there were four of us against this wall, and one cried out in surprise and/or outrage at getting shot with a painful projectile, I would think that instant anger would lead to immediate retaliation against the shooter by the others, before the same thing happened to them---that's just a normal response, right? Not to mention, the missed opportunity to rush the shooter 4-on-1 before kneeling at the wall to begin with. Isn't that what training should be about?
What are the teachers supposed to do?

Pick up a chair and gently attack a police officer, who is posing as an assailant, with the chair, to make it more realistic? Could that get even more out of hand in a hurry???????

Knock a fake assailant down???????

Of course, all this assumes the article is correct and the picture is real, which is a big assumption considering that reporters are on a deadline and often screw up stories.
 

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Unfortunately, I think they just hate guns more. Especially the wussy that “complained”. Just more of the “run away from the bully” crap. What level of altercation does it take to make these pansies fight back? Or isn’t there a level? They should be asked the question before they even start the exercise, “do you intend to just die quietly curled up in a ball of snot”, or is your intention to at least TRY and fight back? Pick up a damn desk, use it as a shield and rush the guy, throw staplers, shoes.........something!
Yes, that is reality. Children's desks would be around and available. But is that too realistic?
 

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You all look so tough behind your keyboards.


Every single credible FOF class not only informs participants if sims or AS guns will be used ahead of the time that but also tells you to wear protective gear and what gear to use. Every single participant gets this info conveyed to, before every single class. If this was not done and teachers were allowed to participate unprepared, that speaks for unprofessional attitude of trainers and teachers have every right to complain. Reading the article, I dont have a good understanding what went to the prep, so I'll won't get into my tough internet gun armchair guy posture just yet.
 

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Yeah, too bad one of the teachers didn't have
the guts to grab a pencil and jam it through
the eye of one of the trainers.

Or as has been suggested grab a desk and
brain one of the trainers or maybe even two
of them.

Now those would be real training experiences!
 

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What are the teachers supposed to do?

Pick up a chair and gently attack a police officer, who is posing as an assailant, with the chair, to make it more realistic? Could that get even more out of hand in a hurry???????

Knock a fake assailant down???????

Of course, all this assumes the article is correct and the picture is real, which is a big assumption considering that reporters are on a deadline and often screw up stories.
Yeah, too bad one of the teachers didn't have
the guts to grab a pencil and jam it through
the eye of one of the trainers.

Or as has been suggested grab a desk and
brain one of the trainers or maybe even two
of them.

Now those would be real training experiences!
How about just show a little gumption?

It is a training exercise; everyone present, officers and staff, are well aware of that...I bet someone just standing up, turning around, and getting pissed---you know, standing up for themselves and starting to protect themselves---would get a big 'ol round of applause from the officers, and a Gold Star for the day.

Nobody is trying to be an internet Tough Guy. Nobody trying to be Bruce Willis here. I doubt it would be necessary to kill one of the training officers in order to get their point across, that they were willing/going to fight, not just give up and get 'executed' (like what happened, apparently, to all involved).

Come on, guys...use your heads a little. Or, tell us what YOU think the training is attempting to accomplish. Just a great opportunity to pelt the local teachers with Airsoft, "Execution Style", then go out for a beer?
 

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If they hadn't been shot without warning the trainers would've never gotten the point across. And the point is that life isn't fair and you don't get to be prepared for it when it happens for real.
 

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How about just show a little gumption?

It is a training exercise; everyone present, officers and staff, are well aware of that...I bet someone just standing up, turning around, and getting pissed---you know, standing up for themselves and starting to protect themselves---would get a big 'ol round of applause from the officers, and a Gold Star for the day.

Nobody is trying to be an internet Tough Guy. Nobody trying to be Bruce Willis here. I doubt it would be necessary to kill one of the training officers in order to get their point across, that they were willing/going to fight, not just give up and get 'executed' (like what happened, apparently, to all involved).

Come on, guys...use your heads a little. Or, tell us what YOU think the training is attempting to accomplish. Just a great opportunity to pelt the local teachers with Airsoft, "Execution Style", then go out for a beer?
The main question is did the trainers need to actually shoot the
teachers with pellets which the trainers probably knew WOULD
HURT the teachers?

Perhaps a loud "gun noise" would have been sufficient or even
a tap on the shoulder of a teacher to let them know they were
failing the exercise by being submissive.

But shooting them multiple times with the pellets, what nonsense!
 

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They prefer to live in snowflake fantasy land where they ban guns and put up signs and that makes everyone safe.
 

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I am sure that the communists are proud, they are turning the people into cowards and weaklings who will do nothing but stand or cower there and die for them.
 

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If they hadn't been shot without warning the trainers would've never gotten the point across.
Being told to wear heavy protective clothing, cups, gloves etc because you're likely to get hurt, even if a little, not only doesn't prevent getting the point across, it actually starts delivering the point before exercises begin.
I've seen cops and retired military dudes gear up for FoF sim training in motorcycle leather and soft IBA. Must've been pussies who didn't measure up to the toughness of 1911forum crowd.
 

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The story said that the teachers did not know they would be shot.

The picture of the supposed police officer/trainer looks like they trained on doughnuts and could be taken out with a mean stare in their direction. The picture looks like a fake.

I would not like anybody pointing something that looks like a weapon at me as a surprise. Real police have shot people for less.

Looks really stupid.

I probably would have gotten off the floor and said hey mother****er, don't do that again and point that somewhere else.
 
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