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Is it just me or do SA firearms seem to need a lot of repairs?

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Spending time reading about Springfield Armory Inc. firearms (1911s and M1As both) there seems to be quite a few folks having to send their firearms back to Springfield, some more than once to have them repaired or worked on so they work right. I’m not trying to bash Springfield, I’m sure other companies have a few problems too. Just seems like there’s a lot of guns going back.

Anyone else?

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I own quite a few Springers and only had problems with one, which was the micro compact... All of my other pistols and M1A's have been absolutely flawless....

In fact it is safe to say I am a Springfield man through and through... Not only have my firearms been great and taken abuse... The custom shop, repair service, and customer service have all been excellent...

I would recommend a Springer to anyone... In fact I do... all the time :) ;)
 

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Just seems like there’s a lot of guns going back.
It might have something to do with the volume of firearms that wear the Springfield name, they do have a big chunk of the 1911 market. I have two. One went back, mostly because I was nit picking. The bushing had a bit of play in it. I really just wanted to have an excuse for some Springfield Custom Shop work, "while they were at it."

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JTR said:
Spending time reading about Springfield Armory Inc. firearms (1911s and M1As both) there seems to be quite a few folks having to send their firearms back to Springfield, some more than once to have them repaired or worked on so they work right. I’m not trying to bash Springfield, I’m sure other companies have a few problems too. Just seems like there’s a lot of guns going back.

Anyone else?

Bueller?
Try searching the Kimber Forum and external extractors. All manufacturers have problems. I think Springfield probably is on the lower end of problem guns and returns for repairs.
 

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Its just you. :)
 

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3 Springer pistols and 1 M1A no probs at all. They all work like grandma's old sunbeam toaster, you know the old chrome one on the counter that she has had for 30 years. They are that reliable, for me anyways. :D
 

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Been a Springfield customer for years...my favorite brand.

I never had any problems until my last purchase.

After not being able to even get hits on the target paper at 25 yards and hitting 4L and 2L at 12 yards off the bench with my Ultra Compact, I began to look at it very closely. The barrel isn't sitting properly, pointing downward and to the left. Its hard to understand how it could pass QC with a visible barrel fitment flaw, until I remember that "modern" QC is more an exercise is statistical sampling than actual inspections.

My dealer assures me that SA is "the best" when it comes to taking care of problems. We'll see.

My next to last purchase was a Parkerized Full Size...no problems and it shoots quite well for an out-of-the-box gun.

I have been very surprised and disappointed at the problems with this one.
 

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I currently have 4 and have owned others. All ran fine and the only problem I had was with a compact that had the plunger tube come loose and that was on a gun I bought used. Other then that they have ran fine. One of my favorites is the 38 Super mil-spec.

I have no problems at all with recommending them at all.

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Yes Springers have probs. I have 3- Longslide, GM, V-10. 2-broken barrels( 2-piece separated at the feet), 2-front sites loose,2-loose ejectors,3-extractors not adjusted properly, When the custon shop fitted the 6 1/2" comped barrel in the longslide-Deb quoted me a price of $125-150 4-6 weeks turnaround time. When it was finished it was $300 took 13 wks and when I questioned the $$$ and time frame I was told by Deb- you don't have to pay, but we have your gun :bawling: ! Custom shop does fantastic work-with all the return work I guess they get alot of practice. Last barrel that broke-also had them fix the front site, ejector and retune extractor. They never touched anything except the barrel. I have no use for SA! And won't promote their products anymore. Tracy :mad:
 

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Boy, I dunno know... I have a total of 4 SA 1911s... one Mil-Spec 5" (flawless), 2 Loaded models (one Stainless, one Blued--Flawless), and 1 Ultra_compact (awesome).. by and large, I think they make the best 1911 for the money..
 

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It might have something to do with the volume of firearms that wear the Springfield name, they do have a big chunk of the 1911 market. I have two. One went back, mostly because I was nit picking. The bushing had a bit of play in it. I really just wanted to have an excuse for some Springfield Custom Shop work, "while they were at it."

Robert
What he said. I have a Stainless Loaded 9mm and have never had a problem with the gun.
 

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My take on it is that you are looking at an enthusiast site where people look at details, not saying it is wrong just stating that there are more picky people here than on the street.

Add that with the fact that there are a large volume of them out there, quality control is only so quality for all people unless you are paying top dollar.

But the main thing that draws people to send them back in is plain and simple the warranty. Not to many others in the gun world offer that so if you see something that is questionable you are going to send it back. If you did not have this warranty you would just likely say oh well it is good enough and accurate enough for what it is since you do not want to drop that coin on a smith to take a peak at it.
 

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I used to think I was just cursed with bad luck, but maybe not. Of course, perhaps Springfield guns do have a lot of problems AND I am cursed with bad luck, as the two are not mutually exclusive. :D

My first Springfield Armory was one of the first run of the "loaded" guns in stainless. It had a trigger pull that was too heavy to measure with any scale my FLG had in his shop. I'm not exaggerating when I say it was over 20 lbs. I'm not sure why I bought it, other than I was 1) desperate for a full size, single stack 1911, and 2) it was only one on the market that wouldn't need a lot of ergonomic work (beavertail, etc.) at the time.

So the trigger pull was easily fixed with some judicious bending of springs, polishing, and lubrication. That didn't bother me because I knew I needed a trigger job anyway. Oddly, it seemd the holes for the pins were not drilled properly, so the sear and hammer only mated fully on one side.

Then the reliability problems started. It would fail to go into battery several times per magazine. Then it would crush brass (lengthwise). Then it would do a variety of other things, including just jam open to the point a hammer was needed. At that point, it was a comedy and a challenge to get it working properly. I can't say why I didn't return it to Springfield for warranty service, other than because I'd had some work done to it (trigger job, etc). before the reliability problems started. It just seemed easier to work on it locally. Anyway, much was done and it's a decent carry gun now after a lot of work. It's not refined or any kind of pleasure to shoot, but it goes bang every time.

The second SA was a two-tone ultra compact I bought from a friend when he needed cash. It worked fine when he owned it, then the first time I shot it when it was mine (during a USPSA match), it choked on every single magazine several times. I still haven't figured out what is wrong with it or why it suddenly went toes-up after it changed ownership. The jury is still out.

The third was a stainless 9mm loaded gun. It was okay for the first couple of magazine, but it had a weird "hitch" when it cycled. Then it started failing to extract. Upon close examination, I saw that the extractor only had one little "tooth" left, and just couldn't do the job. I thought it might have broken while I was shooting it, but it had been polished and some extra tension had been added so it would extract ... some of the time. That really irritated me, but it was cheaper, faster, and easier to get an STI extractor and fit/tune/polish it myself, than it was to ship the gun back to SA.

Then I learned the big secret. I couldn't keep all of my shots on an IPSC metric target at 20 yards with it. Accuracy was ... poor. Unacceptable. I thought about sending it back, but again that's expensive shipping and time just to wait for something that may or may not get much better. So after a lot of deliberation, I took it to Neil Keller who saw right away the barrel had not been fit properly. He welded the lugs, refit the barrel, and fit a new S-V bushing. Not only was accuracy vastly improved, but it cycled far more smoothely and it was now 100% reliable with the 9-rd SA magazines. Woo-hoo!

Oh, I also forgot about the problem with the magazines getting stuck and the trigger getting stuck in the depressed position. Neil fixed that too... the channels for the trigger bow had not been machined properly.

Anyway, it went from a gun that I could not in good conscience sell to another human to a gun I will not sell because I like it so much.


So ... for three Springfield guns, I've had a lot of trouble with all three, spanning the time from the first of the loaded guns to the last couple of years. I probably should have availed myself of customer service, but it just seemed easier, faster, and more productive to have the problems handled locally.

Curiously, I'd probably buy another Springfield if I need another gun and found a good deal. Perhaps I am a glutton for punishment. :D
 

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Nothing man makes is always trouble free . We stock/sell almost any quality gun brand you could name . I've been at this 20 yrs and haven't noticed Springfield being any more problem prone than another brand . We get very few complaints . :)
 
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