Valid point, it's one of the few firearms where the one genre (1911) refers to the whole spectrum of firearms using that action. (darn, that almost sounded intelligent). I guess G17 could be used to describe any Glock, or P220 could be used to talk about any model of Sig.
Is it really a 1911?
I welcome all flames that are necessary...go ahead, try me!
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Is a '57 Corvette the same as a 2001?
brass, woodwind, string, vocals...put them together in some order and it's considered music...but is Rock the same as Classical or Jazz or Heavy Metal or Pop or Rap???
OK, my point here is...
A compact, 9mm, polymer 1911??? I think it's sacrilege. I want a full-sized, .45 ACP, steel framed pistol!...Anything else is not a 1911!...rename the damn thing!
IM(not so)H(opinionated)O
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Is a '57 Corvette the same as a 2001?
brass, woodwind, string, vocals...put them together in some order and it's considered music...but is Rock the same as Classical or Jazz or Heavy Metal or Pop or Rap???
OK, my point here is...
A compact, 9mm, polymer 1911??? I think it's sacrilege. I want a full-sized, .45 ACP, steel framed pistol!...Anything else is not a 1911!...rename the damn thing!
IM(not so)H(opinionated)O
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Well, what constitutes a "1911" and why?
According to the theory, any part on any 1911 should fit any other 1911. In theory that is true. Sometimes in "tweaked" guns the parts need a bit of fitting, but they're the "right" parts.
Different sized 1911's should be somewhat standardized. If you buy a 3.4" bbl for a 1911, it should fit the ultra-compact gun without too much smithing of lugs to slide.
What makes the 1911 the "hot rod" of the handguns is that there are zillions of parts and accessories made for these guns.
I have a Galco belt slide holster that works for my MilSpec and my Ultra Compact. The magazines for the MilSpec work in the Ultra. Mag catches, slide releases, hammers, sears . . . they all interchange.
You can't say that about a 1957 Corvette and a 2001 Corvette. But a mainspring housing from a 1911 Remington Rand will work in a 2001 Springfield "loaded" or a Kimber, or Wilson, Les Baer . . .
I saw a poly frame Wilson the other day. I imagine the frame will fit any 1911 configured gun, but the grip panels were molded in, and the grip was horrid.
YEAH, there are lines in the sand. I traded a ParaOrd high capacity 10-45 after a month or so because it just wasn't a "1911."
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According to the theory, any part on any 1911 should fit any other 1911. In theory that is true. Sometimes in "tweaked" guns the parts need a bit of fitting, but they're the "right" parts.
Different sized 1911's should be somewhat standardized. If you buy a 3.4" bbl for a 1911, it should fit the ultra-compact gun without too much smithing of lugs to slide.
What makes the 1911 the "hot rod" of the handguns is that there are zillions of parts and accessories made for these guns.
I have a Galco belt slide holster that works for my MilSpec and my Ultra Compact. The magazines for the MilSpec work in the Ultra. Mag catches, slide releases, hammers, sears . . . they all interchange.
You can't say that about a 1957 Corvette and a 2001 Corvette. But a mainspring housing from a 1911 Remington Rand will work in a 2001 Springfield "loaded" or a Kimber, or Wilson, Les Baer . . .
I saw a poly frame Wilson the other day. I imagine the frame will fit any 1911 configured gun, but the grip panels were molded in, and the grip was horrid.
YEAH, there are lines in the sand. I traded a ParaOrd high capacity 10-45 after a month or so because it just wasn't a "1911."
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It may have a plastic frame and throw a smaller bullet, but in function it is identical to the very first 1911 built 90 years ago. Yeah, it is a 1911.
another interesting response...
"Interesting point, and I tend to agree with you. I have struggled with this definition issue for a long time. Strictly speaking, there is the M1911 and the M1911A1 both of which were issued to our troops during WWI and WWII. Everything else really should be called something else like "1911-pattern". Also, to me an M1911 or M1911A1 fires a .45 ACP, period. The Army did not adopt .38 Super, 9mm, .40S&W, ect. (The Army Marksmanship Unit did use some .38 Super and .38 Rimless guns but they were never "general issue")
On the other hand, in practical terms, most of the "1911" pistols we see are not GI and something else makes them "1911". That something, to me, is the action -- the trigger, single action mechanism, grip safety, and thumb safety on the frame. I can't quite bring myself to call the new Para-Ordnace LDA pistols "1911" because they don't have the 1911 action, even though they look very much like M1911's. Is the Colt M1991A1 with its firing pin blocking mechanism an M1911? Not in my book. It's a Series 80 Colt. Are the little compacts with their weird guide rods, springs, and bushingless designs true M1911's. To be accurate, we should probably call them M15's after the General Officer's Model which they more closely resemble.
"M1911" is the military designation for the Colt .45 Caliber Automatic Pistol, just as the "M9" designates the Beretta 92F. We don't call every 9mm DA/SA an "M9" but we do it with single action .45 autos. Perhaps this is not entirely rational and reflects more the special place occupied by John Browning and the M1911 in military and firearms history.
Syd" - The Sight M1911
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"Interesting point, and I tend to agree with you. I have struggled with this definition issue for a long time. Strictly speaking, there is the M1911 and the M1911A1 both of which were issued to our troops during WWI and WWII. Everything else really should be called something else like "1911-pattern". Also, to me an M1911 or M1911A1 fires a .45 ACP, period. The Army did not adopt .38 Super, 9mm, .40S&W, ect. (The Army Marksmanship Unit did use some .38 Super and .38 Rimless guns but they were never "general issue")
On the other hand, in practical terms, most of the "1911" pistols we see are not GI and something else makes them "1911". That something, to me, is the action -- the trigger, single action mechanism, grip safety, and thumb safety on the frame. I can't quite bring myself to call the new Para-Ordnace LDA pistols "1911" because they don't have the 1911 action, even though they look very much like M1911's. Is the Colt M1991A1 with its firing pin blocking mechanism an M1911? Not in my book. It's a Series 80 Colt. Are the little compacts with their weird guide rods, springs, and bushingless designs true M1911's. To be accurate, we should probably call them M15's after the General Officer's Model which they more closely resemble.
"M1911" is the military designation for the Colt .45 Caliber Automatic Pistol, just as the "M9" designates the Beretta 92F. We don't call every 9mm DA/SA an "M9" but we do it with single action .45 autos. Perhaps this is not entirely rational and reflects more the special place occupied by John Browning and the M1911 in military and firearms history.
Syd" - The Sight M1911
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Junk.
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Just kidding...please don't take my sarcasm personally
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Not a polymer fan at all. Actually, funny you ask...I am designing a 1911 to be custom built for me...but I can guarantee, it WILL be .45ACP, full-sized and steel and WILL be designed based upon the traditional John Browning design.
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[This message has been edited by Sniper (edited 09-11-2001).]
Junk.
LOL
Just kidding...please don't take my sarcasm personally
Not a polymer fan at all. Actually, funny you ask...I am designing a 1911 to be custom built for me...but I can guarantee, it WILL be .45ACP, full-sized and steel and WILL be designed based upon the traditional John Browning design.
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[This message has been edited by Sniper (edited 09-11-2001).]
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