Until they see a drop in sales, they will follow their current business plan. With so many models now, they seem to be selling a lot of guns.dsk said:Kimber put themselves on the map by putting out the 1911 we all wanted. But now they're making what works best for them, regardless of whether it's what the customer wants or not.
We aren't missing that point Wangstang. I live in Kali and understand well the implications of the crazy laws out here. But what they are saying is that Kimber should make some guns without the Series 2 safety for sales in the other states and to the public. Skip a little machining and leave out the three parts. They could make a run of these at the beginning or end of a production run. I'm stuck with the Series 2 either way and I don't have a problem with that. Mine also work fine.Wangstang said:I think you are all missing something here from what I was told/understand to be true. Some states, such as CA, are mandating that new pistols that are sold in their states a certian number and type of safety features, or some combination there of to be sold in the state as brand new pistols. Kimber can't make money on used sales. There are also certian requirements of Law Enforcement agencies and the millitary that can make or break the volume sales which could really help boost the bottom line.
Care to elaborate on what this is, I am still learning about all the features of handguns so... I ask a lot of questions.Kruzr said:
What will be interesting to me is if Kimber adds mag disconnects to accomodate the latest design by legislation requirement that takes effect in 2007. The current design with the "loaded chamber indicator" is good through 2006.
A mag disconnect is a device which will prevent the pistol from firing if there isn't a magazine in the magwell. This is to prevent those people who don't know gun safety from mistakingly thinking the gun is unloaded if the mag isn't there. The thoughtful legislators of this state passed a law a few months ago and Gray Doofus signed it into law. As of 2006, all semi-auto handguns approved for sale in the state will have to have a loaded chamber indicator. The new Kimbers have this....a little cut out in the hood just like a Springfield has had. As of 2007, they need to have the mag disconnect to be allowed to be tested.Wangstang said:Care to elaborate on what this is, I am still learning about all the features of handguns so... I ask a lot of questions.
File it under "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" in my opinion.Double Naught Spy said:norman74, what is wrong with the external extractors? The internal version had been one of the weaknesses of the 1911 platform. Colt used externals on other models as did/do other makers and they work quite well. It isn't the stereotypical part for the 1911, but it is hardly ruining a good thing.
Are yours series I or II?thislife said:I am sorry but I am not a die hard 1911 fan. I have a Kimber Eclipse Tactical and a pro model but I am not a die hard 1911 fan.
Why not? I'm 28, and I remember when Kimber produced 2 models.Furthermore, I am not old (26) enough to talk about objectively about the series I.
I don't understand, you had problems with the traditional extractor?My favorite gun is my Beretta 96 so there ya go. My poor Kimber experience was with a Ultra ten I purchased from Kimber that was eventually replaced by my pro model.
Is that one of their polymer guns?Every Ultra Ten now has been made with external extractor, which has according to reports increased reliability and cut down on warranty calls.
Why? what made their different than anyone else's? I have never heard of non-polymer problems with extractors in Series I Kimbers, and I sold the things for two years.The internal extractor has caused numerous reported feeding problems in the Kimber and it was really a design flaw on their version of the 1911.
You say you aren't old enough to remember Series I guns, and yet you say the series II is an improvement? And you left off the truly more offensive part of the Series II, the "we know what's best for you" safety. Even if it never causes a failure in a pristine gun, it is simply one more (or three or four?) mechanical part to fail, and one more place that dirt & such can get wedged & cause you catastrophic problems. On a target gun I suppose that it might not be such a big deal, but I carry all of my pistols, that's the only reason I own them. I practice with them because it's fun & good training, but I buy them to defend myself. YMMVSo don’t talk about the series 1 and how good it was because times have changed and Kimber is forced to find ways to cut down on the problems with the Series II. And right now the solution is external extractors.
Why?I even think old Browning would agree with this change.