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I wonder how many people know this? I bet the DNC would prefer that they never hear about it.





I found this in the American Rifleman, May 1961 issue.
 

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Response? Easy.

"Those letters were written back before the NRA was taken over by right-wing extremists, and were instead involved in sport shooting events with sporting firearms.

It is only recently that the NRA, taken over by right-wing idealogues, has turned against common-sense laws that protect us from violence".

The NRA was not (back then) so much a gun-rights organization, as gun rights weren't really under serious attack.


Now? We're on the ropes. . . .
 

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Kennedy is just a little-bit before my time, but wasn't he an avid hunter/sportsman? I remember reading how he would go on extended hunting trips with friends and family..?
 

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President Kennedy, while a Democrat, leaned conservative on a number of issues.

He was a big advocate of tax cuts to spur the economy. He was also apparently pro-gun.

If you ever want to watch a liberal come totally unglued, point out to them how much JFK supported (now Republican) ideals such as strong economy, national defense, and individual rights.
 

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garrettwc said:
If you ever want to watch a liberal come totally unglued, point out to them how much JFK supported (now Republican) ideals such as strong economy, national defense, and individual rights.

I think that if JFK were alive today, he'd bit**-slap his little brother Teddy for what he's been doing his whole life.
 

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rhino465 said:
I think that if JFK were alive today.....
he'd be remembered as a lying, cheating Democrat, and not as a martyr. He was not a great president, he escalated our involvement in Vietnam (Democrats got us in, a Republican got us out.) True, he was pro-gun. He was also a big government socialist.

His brother Bobby was twice the man. Morally and ethically. It was a shame to see both men killed, as I wouldn't want that for any president.
 

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Differnt Times, differnt thinking.

back then, guns were part of growning up, shooting was regarded as needed. It was something passed down. Now, liberals have made the gun evil, a killing machene, and laywers have helped, as well as the media.
 

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John F. Kennedy a socialist? Perhaps in some ways. But he was a genuine patriot in many ways, and certainly more so - and more conservative - than the treasonous scum we have now who call themselves "republicans".

There is plenty of evidence on record that John F. Kennedy might have had no intention of keeping us in Vietnam at some point when he realized that actually winning a war there was not likely. In any case it is interesting that the socialist revolutionaries from "left" were the ones that created the biggest political hindrances to winning.

He also attempted to get a certain chartered private bank out of the business of charging us usury on the issue of our own money. Of course his successor, LBJ put a stop to that one not a week after he was buried.
 

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rhino465 said:
I think that if JFK were alive today, he'd bit**-slap his little brother Teddy for what he's been doing his whole life.
Teddy is not only a disgrace to the name "Kennedy", but all Irishmen everywhere. Not all of us have forgotten what letting ourselves get disarmed allowed to happen in the old country.
 

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LAK said:

He also attempted to get a certain chartered private bank out of the business of charging us usury on the issue of our own money. Of course his successor, LBJ put a stop to that one not a week after he was buried.
I say first that if we're going to talk about money-printing (fraud, even if done how you describe), we should start another thread.

That said, on that topic, I believe you should search for some corroboration on that - I have seen it decried as an unsupported hoax.

JF Kennedy was a socialist. His brother Robert was even worse. Robert Kennedy is remembered fondly for (other than being killed, which is what makes JFK such a hero) advocating pretty radical wealth redistribution, even for his day.

JFK repealed a bunch of taxes because they had gotten to the point where they were so openly destructive, not due to some commitment to individual liberty. For his time, his moves were socialist; but, as pointed out, he makes a modern Republican look like Mao Tse Tsung. Were either of the deceased kennedys here today, they, in moving with the times, would probably (openly) be worse than Ted.

JFK comes across as a patriot - but in that day, someone who speaks like Howard Dean does today would be seen as quite off the deep end - even considering the degradation of sensibilities in the 60s.

"America sux and I hope we lose the war" was not always a "moderate" position as it is today. In his eloquent manner, John F. Kennedy's writings would reflect this.
 

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Battler,

If JFK was a true socialist, I'd like to know where that places our current "republicans" - as most of them have voted in, or failed to get rid of, elements that I am sure JFK would have been astounded to see in place. Like the 1968 GCA - and the others since. Not to mention the enormous debt we have, the trade with barbarians like the Chicoms, and numerous other abominations.

And on that subject of money - it is no fraud. JFK's executive order for the issue of silver-based currency is in the federal archives. It has been amended since of course, but interestingly the specifics of the currency issue have never been nullified. It is Executive Order 11110 dated June 4th 1963, which amends 10289 dated September 19th 1951.

As an aside, the last person in Congress to make a noise about that matter in Washington was Larry McDonald. It didn't last though; he was among 269 people we were told took a very deep swim in certain sea on the other side of the world in 1983.
 

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DHMeieio said:
No doubt orchestrated by those in control of The Agenda, determined to thwart the massive groundswell of support for return to a precious-metal standard. ;) Boy, we would really be living in the land of milk and honey if only our currency had a meaningless tie to a vault full of minerals. We'd have the most accepted, most stable currency in the world--oh wait, we already have that. Gotta love those 19th-Century economics concepts.
Fiat money's origins are in paper that was a promise to pay in metal, and the printer ultimately couldn't because he'd made too many paper claims on a smaller amount of metal.

Yes, the US $ is fantastically stable as fiat currencies are controlled, it's only lost 95% of the value of the metal it is a broken promise to pay. (Back-handed compliment maybe; but most fiat currencies have done worse over the same time period).

The printer of fiat money extracts a hidden tax that very few people understand. . . .

Gotta love these socialist monetary concepts. . . .


But monetary talk confuses people - in picking one's fights, I tend to try to stay in pushing for 19th century welfare and 19th century role of government. . . .
 

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Battler said:
JF Kennedy was a socialist. His brother Robert was even worse. Robert Kennedy is remembered fondly for (other than being killed, which is what makes JFK such a hero) advocating pretty radical wealth redistribution, even for his day.
Bobby tried to outcommie the commies in the Democrat Party in order to seize control and got whacked for it. Thats one of the theories I have heard. Since he never really got much power we wont know what he would have actually done in office. We DO know that he worked for McCarthy and that both his father and his brother were closely allied with McCarthy in the 1950s.

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Were either of the deceased kennedys here today, they, in moving with the times, would probably (openly) be worse than Ted.
I dont believe so. I think they are both dead because they wouldnt go along.
 

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It is also very plausible that Robert Kennedy got whacked because it was very likely that he would have gained the presidency. In that position he not only would have been able to force an investigation of his brother's murder, appoint people he could trust to lead it; he would have had access to any piece of information still intact in any part of the executive branch he chose to go look at in person. "Classified" or not.
 

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Amongst all the conspiracy theories, I've always entertained the possibility that they were simply murdered by nutballs/lunatics.

Or maybe the mob did it in response to JFK biting the hand that fed him. :)

I've heard here some of the theories that they were targeted for being too "pro-liberty". I find this slightly less plausible, given that they were basically British-educated pinkos. I mean, if murderers were making a "list" of pro-liberty people, Kennedys wouldn't exactly be too close to the top - then OR now.
 

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Battler,

If John F Kennedy was a Brit-educated pinko, attempting to disconnect us from the system of fiat money was about the most anti-British pinko act he could ever have committed.

As for the mobs, I don't think either of the Kennedy murders have any marks of a mob hit. And even the most powerful mobsters in this country would have probably thought such an idea very unwise and extremely risky indeed. That is; unless they had significant "friendly forces" within the government agencies to ensure they would be sufficiently insulated with a thorough cleanup. I think that it is more likely that some mob elements were recruited for certain tasks.

I'd like to know what Jacqeline claims to have known when she said at the time ".... they've killed [him] ..."
 

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Battler said:
Amongst all the conspiracy theories, I've always entertained the possibility that they were simply murdered by nutballs/lunatics.
When I entertain conspiracy theories I always pay attention to what happened in their aftermath. Certain assassinations throughout history have drastic consequences, previously unlikely, come about as a direct result of them. One is WWI after the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand by an "anarchist" hitman. Another is the drastic hard left turn taken by the Democrat party after the assassination of JFK.

But we are getting pretty far afield here.

As for your earlier "liberal" response to JFK being a life member of the NRA what I would immediately ask the person saying it is why, if what they are saying is true, did we lack "common sense" gun control laws during JFKs administration?
 
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