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Well I think I decided on which one I'll be carrying over the other. The 23 has got my vote. I really, really, really wanted to like the .357 sig too.
I cleaned out the barrel last night and went out this mornining with a shooting buddy and we were going to throw some bullets downrange, and this is how it went.

I loaded up all my mags the night before so all we had to do was set up targets, get eyes and ears on and then test them out. Had some trouble getting my .357 rounds in the .40 10 rounders, could only get 7 rounds in them. No problem I figured it would loosen up after some rounds have gotten through. If I was only so lucky.

I aimed in on plates at about 25 yrds and was still trying to figure out the zero. I had the gun shop install night sights and I wanted to see if they were off. I saw chunks flying off the plate from time to time. Liked that.

Let the buddy shoot a couple rounds through and he liked it too. We both noticed it was a lot louder than our 40's. To it felt like there was a tad bit more muzzle flip than the standard pressure 40's but nothing to complain about.

Had about 35 rounds through the 32 and decided to try and hit the steel plates out at 50 yrds.

So I aimed in and fired 2 rounds then pulled the trigger. Nothing!?!? Looked at the pistol looked fine the trigger would go all the way back with no resistance. I went to retract the slide and then notice it was just a touch out of battery. I figured that's all it was. Still needs to break in, No biggie.

Let go of slide and seemed to go into battery. Slowly pulled the trigger and met the resistance and continued to pull until. BOOM!!!! Immense pain in both my hands. Dropped the pistol onto the table and couldn't believe the pain I was feeling. I was afraid to look down and see how the hands looked for a moment.

Looked at the pistol and saw the magazine blew out of the frame. The slide was partially open. My friend tried to retract the slide and it wouldn't go.

My hands felt real bad and there were powder burns on them.

Friend took the slide up against the table, ejected the brass and we saw a casing that was blown. The mags mouth looked like a rat gnawed on it with brass embedded in it. Found 2 rounds which looked like they were seated in too far into the bullet. Not sure wether it was from the KB or hitting the feed ramp or if it came out the box that way.

My buddy has a digital camera and he said he'll take pics and send them to me so I can post them. He has the case and the mag and the other bullets. When I get home today I will go through the other boxes of ammo to see if it came from the box like that.

The ammo was Remington UMC 125 gr.

I haven't inspected the inside of the pistol yet but I will later on tonight.

I really like the Glock and I really wanted to like the .357 sig cartridge but this does put some doubt into me now.

I'll post the pics as soon as I have them.

Ross T.
 

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Damn Ross, I do hope you are alright. Am I understanding this right, this was factory ammo you were using?
 

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Yup Ken

It was Remington UMC 125 gr. .357 sig ammo. Just picked it up the day after I got the pistol.

I never shoot reloads in my Glock and hardly ever shoot reloads in anything I shoot. Not that I don't like reloads it's just I don't know enough about it to trust myself in doing them.

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It sounds as if when you were having problems loading the mags you may have pushed the bullets back into there cases a bit. Glock mags are generally very stiff until the springs get broke in. This and the fact that the 357 SIG cartrige has very a very small gripping area to grip the bullet are probally the cause. I was interested in the 357 SIG until I heard people were having a lot of trouble reloading them. The problem? Getting a good grip on the bullet, and case lubrication. This and heavy recoil are the reason I think 357 SIG is just a fad that will fade. The 357 SIG operates at such a high pressure that if the bullet is pushed back into the case just 3 tenths the case pressure can double. This would cause the case rupture you mentioned. For that reason I think I'll stay with cartriges that have a straight walled case. Maybe you'd agree after the K-BOOM!!! It's very important that bullets are seated to the correct length in all cartriges but when you mix that with a case that gives you very little gripping area it can make a bad combo.

I hope you're hands heal well and good luck,
Jim

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote"--Benjamin Fraklin 1759
 

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I can only speak from my experience, but I will NEVER buy Remington UMC ammo again. A few years ago, I was shooting a brand new box of 158 gr .357 magnum lead bullets in my Ruger Blackhawk. About 15 rounds went through no problem, and then one had extra light recoil. I decided to stop and look, and the powder did not ignite. The primer sent the bullet 1/3 the way down the barrel where it stayed. If I had pulled the trigger again, I would have has a kB! I had to use a dowel and a hammer to pound that stuck bullet out of the barrel. I threw the rest of the ammo in the trash, and haven't bought it since. Maybe a severe reaction, but Winchester ammo has always been 100% for me.
 

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My friend and I finally took some pics of the pistol. At first glance shortly after the incident I didn't see anything wrong with the pistol.
After we got it under the bright lights and inspected it closely we saw the damage it sustained from the blown cartridge.

You can see for yourselves here: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=791681&a=6305755

Also after we had the pistol apart and then putting it back together we could feel the slide and frame not lining up smoothly. The rails are definetly not where they are supposed to be.

Comments?

Ross T.




[This message has been edited by ROSANGHAL (edited 05-17-2000).]
 

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Remington UMC amo sucks. Period. Velocities and quality are varied. More than likely the bullet got pushed back in the case during feeding (Seen it happen in other calibers) and the pressures went through the roof. I'd get ahold of Remington, chew them a new a-hole and tell them you want a new Glock.

Good thing you weren't hurt.

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Yeah I got a hold of Remington and Glock.

From all the other places I posted this on and friends I've let in on the incident a lot of them will not use Remington UMC. Others say they will not use it now. Unfortunately I had to find out the hard way.

Just this weekend I heard of shooting ranges, I think an indoor one, that will not allow anyone to use Remington bullets at their range. I'm emailing the guy who informed me and trying to get more info on if it's only a certain caliber and which range it is. He says the range has had a lot of problems with their ammo and has complained to Remington.

So obviously they know they are having problems and they either don't want to do a recall or they aren't fixing the problem.

I'm trying to work something out.

Thanks
Ross T.
 
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