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I went on a buying binge over the summer - one of which is a Kimber TLE / RL SS. .45
It has not been used yet sitting in safe , I also picked up a DW. Valkyrie and was so impressed with it I'm thinking maybe a Specialist .45 would be a better option

Aside from the price difference [ Specialist almost 2x TLE ] The Specialist is in the ' Duty ' coat finish - It looks great but the cleaning / lube recommendations are very restrictive .. Just a thought I know the Kimber would be plenty of 1911 and out shoot my capabilities ... but you know how it goes ... also series 80 meh !
 

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I just sold my Kimber not too long ago to help fund my DW Vigil. Absolutely ZERO regrets. The cleaning and lube recommendations for the duty treat isn't a big deal really. I clean the barrel with Hoppes#9 and the frame with FP10. Then lube everything FP10. I say go for it.
 

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I have a CBOB that I got just before they discontinued them. Took a LOT of work to get it
comfortable. Once everything was right, it has been a VERY nice pistol. I have a Kimber or
two that also do VERY well.

Do remember that Dan Wesson is a portion of CZ. My problem is that I met the CZ regional
sales rep and they think their "stuff" doesn't stink, thus they are free to over charge for
everything.
 

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I started off with Colt 1911's back in the 80's - Combat Commander and then Government Model - because Colts were supposed to be good 1911's. I always hated the fact that a brand new in the box Colt 1911 always needed work to make them reliable. They were unfinished in the box and needed the ramps polished and the barrels throated to reliably feed various ammunition, especially JHP rounds.

In the late 90's I decided to try Kimber, even though I read about issues with the external extractor models having issues which were supposed resolved by Kimber with newer models having internal extractors. I got a Pro Carry Stainless Kimber 1911 and it was flawless out of the box. No extra work was needed and it came with night sights (something I want on all of my guns). It fed all types of ammunition reliably, unlike all of the brand new Colts that I have ever owned with extra features (night sights, match trigger and match barrel) at the same price point as a new Colt without the extras.

After a few years and a number of different Kimbers, I learned this about Kimber. Their pistols are decent 1911's, but, the included single magazine (Kimber marked) is unreliable and I automatically tossed them and replaced them with Wilson Combat magazines. Also, the blue Kimbers rusted, even if they only sat in the safe, unlike all other firearms that I have ever owned in the last 40 years. Whatever kind of blue finish they use is garbage and seems to attract rust.

6 years ago I decided to treat myself to a brand new higher end pistol as a retirement gift to myself to see if the more expensive 1911's are actually worth the price that is about 3 1/2 X that of a brand new Colt or Kimber. I got myself a Night Hawk Recon Enforcer 10mm and yes, they are worth the extra $$$$ and are much better 1911's than Colt or Kimber, or anything in that $1,200 price range.

I got rid of all of my Kimbers and I then looked into Dan Wesson 1911's and I was pleasantly surprised with the high quality exhibited by their 1911's. I ended up buying a DW Silverback 10mm and a stainless Specialist Commander 10mm. That Specialist Commander rivals my more expensive NHC 10mm. It has all the extra features that my NHC has in match trigger (much better match grade trigger than any Colt or Kimber), match grade barrel, night sights, light rail, and magwells. I highly recommned DW 1911's for a mid range priced, quality 1911 that is much higher quality than regular Colt 1911's. The slide to frame fit and travel are silky smooth and the tight, smooth, light match triggers are incredible. I can't say the same thing about Colts or Kimbers.
 

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I went on a binge too, but for carry concealed. U don't say what u r going to use it for.

First I got a Springfield ro elite compact. Liked it, carried it.

Then I got a sig nitro compact. Didn't like the factory grips and didn't find it very accurate.

Then I found a deal on a dan wesson eco and got it. From the first shot it's been outstanding. It moved right into the holater. IDK what to do w the other two now...probably sell them.
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I went on a binge too, but for carry concealed. U don't say what u r going to use it for.

First I got a Springfield ro elite compact. Liked it, carried it.

Then I got a sig nitro compact. Didn't like the factory grips and didn't find it very accurate.

Then I found a deal on a dan wesson eco and got it. From the first shot it's been outstanding. It moved right into the holater. IDK what to do w the other two now...probably sell them. View attachment 596541
 

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I owned a few Colt and 2 Les Baer 1911s, shot many others too, today I own only 4 DWs and buying more if I see some around.
 

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I had a Kimber Custom CDP. FTRB every 80 rounds. Chamber too tight. Common apparently.

Worked with ball, but I don't shoot ball, I shoot 230g TC. Had a couple other issues too, so I sniffed around for my first choice that I should have bought, DW CBOB.

Sold the Kimber and seperately bought the CBOB same day for the same $$.

Best deal I ever made.
 

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I've bought sig P365 & Glock 43X for CC , few CZ's for Range maybe IDPA .

The 1911's seem to be a love affair , I forget How pleasing they are aesthetically , how ingenious their Design is - function - ergonomics just spot on . They are Machines but have a persona like no other pistol
 

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I have owned 2 Kimbers, neither was reliable, FTF, FTE and not going into battery. The second one was made with MIM parts, not sure if that is necessarily bad if done properly but it concerned me. Admittedly they are pretty pistols. I have owned 3 DW's all have run well once a very minor issue during break in passed on one of my Valkyrie CCO's. So no MIM and much improved reliability, what's not to like on the DW other than the duty finish which only needs FP-10 to maintain it. I will never purchase another Kimber.
 

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Survey says, Dan Wesson, I don't think you will regret it. Good luck in your quest.
 

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Like everybody else I would suggest you to get yourself a D.W.
 

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The Kimber and DW aren't even a fair comparison. The Dan is a league or two above the Kimber.
 

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Echoing the crowd...I've got a DW ECO and Valkyrie Commander. Superb pistols for the money. Not sure I understand the need to spend more money for a quality 1911.
 

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all things equal the DW is a no brainer - the kimber was less to begin with and trading won't help .
but once the ' better " bug gets in the brain it wins lol

was going to compare the DW to a Les Baer in the shop - DW seems to win on that match up based on their consistency
 

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First I have had good luck with Kimbers except for the fact they are not fond of JHP's. Something I solved with stronger springs in the Wilson mags. I used my Kimber Raptor in USPSA Limited 10 for years with no issues. It was accurate and reliable. A Kimber mag is great to load the "Barney" round and nothing else. I have a Dan Wesson Classic VBob that is a fantastic gun and great to shoot. Out of the box it has been flawless and super reliable and accurate. I would rate it better than the Kimber but not by much. As an aside not many will agree but my Sig Stainless Super Target is just as good as my Dan Wesson.
 
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