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I found this map of the UK that shows how many knife crimes that have happened in a 3 month period. It shows how many by each county. The largest attacks in one county I could find was Metropolitan Country with 1500 knife crimes NOT in one year but in a 3 month period from April 2007 to June 2007. And this is just ONE county out of like how many? 44? 45? I'm not sure but there are a lot.

1500 knife crimes in three months thats 500 a month or 16 crimes committed with a knife each and every single day 7 days a week!

http://extras.thesun.co.uk/flash/knife_crime_07/index.html

I mean it is so obvious what happens when you ban guns. The crime does not go away. Murders do not go away nor does robbery.

No gun? Well then use a knife! No Knife well then use a club! And on and on. I mean it should be so easy to prove and change the minds of the anti gunners but it isn't. They are just so rabid about removing guns from everyone. I just get so sick of them and their ignorance.

There is like this never ending battle of them trying to strip away our Constitutional rights and we are holding them back and our rights just keep getting chipped away little by little.

I mean I am supposedly one of the lucky ones. I have a valid CCW and can carry every day but more and more there are more limitations. Yes I can carry but not in any place that serves alcohol, not in a church or state or Federal building. Not on military base or state park. Nor in any establishments that put a sign up forbidding guns. And the part that gets me the most, I can carry in my state but many other states I cannot.

The point of my rant this morning is .... will we EVER have total and complete freedom to carry a gun whenever or wherever we want or are we doomed to fight forever to carry until some idiot who has the authority just bans guns like they did alcohol during Prohibition? :grumble:

... guess I won't up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. :grumble:

http://extras.thesun.co.uk/flash/knife_crime_07/index.html
 

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guess I won't up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.
No, you woke up on the right side of the bed, it's the bad guys that wake up on the wrong side of the bed and use laws against us, made up by the people on the wrong side of the issue.



Years ago, a talk show host recited statistical evidence {from the batf?} that knives and bats are used far more by criminals than guns are.
 

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Well, you almost had it right, Flatiron, with the exception that antis are not ignorant, which can be overcome through dissemination of information.
The condition they have is known as stupidity!
 

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Some folks are just too busy trying to find reasons *why* someone does bad things.

It must be the guns. Take away all the guns.
(so we take away the guns) -- and crime continues.

It must be the knives now. Take away all the knives.
(so we take away all the knives) -- and crime continues - just like it has since before recorded history, back to age immemorial)

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It must be this, it must be that - take away the baseball bats, the clubs, tree limbs, take away the ink pens, paperclips, screwdrivers, crowbars, hammers, take away all the nails and screws, padlocks, shoestrings, everything you want ...

and folks that want to rob, steal, and commit murders, rapes, or any other crimes are still going to commit those crimes.

The problem is in punishing the criminal, and making people accountable for their own actions - even at an early age. Kids have to be taught right from wrong - and even then, some are just going to be bad kids.

It's a state of man, not a factor of which tools man has on-hand to commit a crime *with* ... it's the man committing the injustice. But they just let them go - extenuating circumstances, "understanding", overcrowding in prisons, early parole because we've got nowhere to put them, etc. So criminals are back out on the streets.

And folks are getting fed up with it. Both from a crime standpoint, where criminals have such easy access to weapons (not just guns, any decent $2 screwdriver is a HIGHLY deadly weapon - and easy for a criminal to steal too no less - for free). And with the state of gun legislation, decent people either cannot, or are afraid to, defend themselves - and the media is innundating people with how bad guns are, the City of Boston is trying to set up "voluntary" search and seizure whereby parents just let cops into their homes without warrants to search for weapons and take them if they find any, etc. villifying the tools to a whole generation, without doing ANYTHING concrete to address the underlying social problems.

And they want to feed society the ruse that if we just all ban guns, the world can live together in harmony. We were at each others throats with bone-clubs WELL before there were guns OR knives. Violence is part of the human condition.
 

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SistemaTodd said:
Well, you almost had it right, Flatiron, with the exception that antis are not ignorant, which can be overcome through dissemination of information.
The condition they have is known as stupidity!
Ill go one further and say its an agenda driven by someone who wants us disarmed so they can bring about their socialist one world 'utopia' w/o fear of resistance
 

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Ill go one further and say its an agenda driven by someone who wants us disarmed so they can bring about their socialist one world 'utopia' w/o fear of resistance

That is the only conclusion that I can come to, while reading the latest issue of American rifleman magazine, an article focused on the tens of millions that are pouring into gun ban coffers, the only reason that I figure people are so passionately inclined so as to contribute so heavily is because they plan to be the masters of unwashed masses.
 
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