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The following mortality statistics from www.worldometers.info are JUST from January 1st to April 2, 2020 (3 months)


Number of Deaths Worldwide

Coronavirus: 53,245

Seasonal flu: 123,943
Malaria: 250,043
Suicide: 273,359
Traffic fatalities: 344,111
HIV/AIDS: 428,530
Alcohol-related: 637,569
Smoking 1,274,363
Cancer: 2,093,607
Starvation: 2,851,375
Abortion: 10,835,257


Number of people RECOVERED from Coronavirus: 213,164 ( 80% )

Granted, by the website's own admission, these are estimated numbers using an advanced algorithm compiled from sources such as WHO, UNICEF, CDC, etc. However, many reputable sites use this information for their reporting.

This post is not to suggest that the Coronavirus is not a major health threat or shouldn't be taken seriously...but perhaps if folks took a look at the numbers of non-COVID-19 deaths they would stop freaking out and wearing rubber gloves to the goddamn grocery store. I mean, they dont look at the traffic fatalities and line the entire inside of their vehicle with NERF!!


As a healthcare professional I am on the very front lines of this threat. But I am more concerned about the total collapse of our economy than I am about this virus. I'd hate for our country to be so myopic about "flattening the curve" that we finally open our eyes to the 2nd Great Depression.
 

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It is a terrible thing CV9, but deaths in US likely will not surpass the significant flues of 1957 (75,000 US only), and 1968 (100,000 US Only)....I will not even mention the SHTF flue of 1918 which was in a class of its own (~650,000 US only).

But we didn't have the Death Ticker on CNN 24X7 creating all the unnecessary panic in these prior flues. CNN, MSNBC, and Nancy P. who is starting another Witch Hunt, are trying to leverage this into a Trump defeat in Nov.

That said, although I have been dodging flue since 2007 (been on chemo since then), I do think CV9 is more dangerous than the "average-annual-flue". Perhaps/maybe on par with the 1957 and 1968 flues....

I've been using my N95 masks and gloves to great affect over the last 10 years to avoid flues while food shopping, but for CV9, being over 60 and on chemo, I am making every attempt to stay on my property and avoid even food shopping. Not sure if I can completely avoid it but so far have cut back to like once every 3 week rather than every week. Spend a lot of time foraging for food, water, etc., on the internet (I have all the ammo I could possibly need for now ;-)).
 

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CA, you hit the nail perfectly on the head. Is it a dangerous flu? Yes. Are precautions warranted? Yes. Are the freaking TV News Networks creating panic and anxiety to increase their viewing percentages and pad their own pockets? Absolutely!!! The Press is totally responsible for exascerbating this destructive situation. They are greedy, and criminally complicit in exaggerating the danger, creating fear, and doing everything in their power to cause panic, derail the economy, and sink Donald Trump.
 

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Right now, as of 9AM CST, April 3, 2020, the US death rate is 2%. That percentage is based on the number of reported cases. We were told not to even seek testing unless we exhibited severe symptoms. So, of the people tested, the very sick ones already, the death rate is 2%. That's a normal flu-year death rate. If everyone was tested, then the rate would drop like a turd from a tall moose. It's a normal flu. The flu typically takes the very old and the very infirm. It's nature's way and it's been the same since time began. This Covid 19 deal is a construct of the Press. They are criminally complicit in creating a panic.

P.S. I am 65 and a cancer survivor. I had an optical stroke (AION) in 2017 that ended my flying career. So I guess I am in the high-risk group. I am not a callous person and I am not irresponsible, but IMHO this flu panic is BS. The Press have created this situation. They've damaged the economy, frightened most of the world, and are totally responsible for this gross over-reaction. They are evil.
 

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Can we get just as excited about the number of deaths due to abortion as we have with Covid-19?

Asking for a friend!
 

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My concern about these early 2020 statistics is that they include virtually no deaths (comparatively) in the U.S., India, Africa, South America, and Russia... simply because the virus had not yet made notable inroads yet in these countries/continents.

Later, when statistics start coming in, I fear that the 53,245 number will look almost incidental. I'm envisioning an exponentially higher number as coronavirus makes its way through India, Africa, South America, and the U.S.

President Trump:rock: seems to have, pending more information, settled for (as best estimates) best case scenarios of 100,000 to 240,000 deaths in the U.S. alone.

I hope I'm wrong, I might be wrong (excessive pessimism), and I'm well aware that I have no experience in medicine, diseases, etc.

On the other hand, my entire career was in the realm of finance and business (worldwide)....so I'm all too painfully aware of the financial/economic fallout, including the more pessimistic outcomes which I fear are all too possible. Those of you who've cited this concern are absolutely correct IMHO...it is a huge concern, kind of like standing before a charging cape buffalo... which isn't going to stop, at least not of its own accord.

Separately, I couldn't be more unhappy with the Dems and their complicit media pals. Somehow, I suspect that they're industriously working, unawares, towards torpedoing their own ship. Couldn't happen to a more deserving group.

And as mentioned before, I'm very much appreciative of each of your thoughts and especially those of you, certainly Flight Medic, with specific skills/knowledge/experience related to this subject. You've provided far better wisdom and perspective than "the sky is falling" mainstream media. Salute!:rock:

Some of those causes of death numbers provided by FM are jaw-dropping. I wouldn't have guessed such.
 

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Certainly some thoughtful posts here.

And any number of things to consider.

I do not see this as any kind of normal flu. As near as I can tell the contagion level appears to be very high. At least according to what I can see, backed up by what I hear from my sister in law. A highly respected microbiologist.

And as posted here, even with a mere 2 percent death rate. If let us say half the population gets infected with it. At two percent mortality you still end up with almost two million dead. The figures that we have now are also based on the premise that the medical system in place has largely been able to treat all of the patients that have it. How much longer are we going to be able to do that? And then what kind of mortality rate will you have?

And that is here. When this thing takes off in all of these third world mega cities with marginal at best medical care. What kind of numbers are we going to see then? We are still in the early stages of this thing. It is going to get a lot worse before it gets any better.

Is the bigger threat that the economy just shuts down? With people unable to get food, medicine? Power grids and transportation failing? All in an effort to quell this thing? Probably it is, with widespread civil disorder and an accompanying breakdown of society. Most assuredly this is the bigger threat.

And will the Demos go all out to use this to gain the white house in November? Most assuredly they are, and will going forward. We already know that nothing is beneath them.
 

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Come on Skipper, the number is 2% of the ones who've been tested as positive. Not 2% of half of the US population. We were all told that there weren't enough test kits and instructed to not get tested unless demonstrating severe symptoms. You can't extrapolate to half of the US population when the test group was already sick. That's not a valid test group, nor a valid sample. The 2% would really be .000002% if you extrapolate to half of the entire US population.
 

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I will reiterate.

Come on Skipper, the number is 2% of the ones who've been tested as positive. Not 2% of half of the US population. We were all told that there weren't enough test kits and instructed to not get tested unless demonstrating severe symptoms. You can't extrapolate to half of the US population when the test group was already sick. That's not a valid test group, nor a valid sample. The 2% would really be .000002% if you extrapolate to half of the entire US population.
And as posted here, even with a mere 2 percent death rate. If let us say half the population gets infected with it. At two percent mortality you still end up with almost two million dead. The figures that we have now are also based on the premise that the medical system in place has largely been able to treat all of the patients that have it. How much longer are we going to be able to do that? And then what kind of mortality rate will you have?

Just like if a quarter of the population "tests positve" and you have a 2% mortality rate. That gives you almost a million deaths.
 

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But the 2% death rate is based on people who are are already severely sick. What about the vast numbers of people who have it and don't have any symptoms, or had it and didn't know they had it. It's not really a 2% death rate. It's a 2% death rate of people who got sick, had severe symptoms, and were tested. You and I and millions like us are not in the test group. We weren't tested. The 2% is a bogus number.

I give up if you can't figure out the difference.
 

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But the 2% death rate is based on people who are are already severely sick. What about the vast numbers of people who have it and don't have any symptoms, or had it and didn't know they had it. It's not really a 2% death rate. It's a 2% death rate of people who got sick, had severe symptoms, and were tested. You and I and millions like us are not in the test group. We weren't tested. The 2% is a bogus number.

I give up if you can't figure out the difference.
DING DING DING! If we use the same "confirmed only" approach as C19 then the flu is over 5% kill rate
 

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But the 2% death rate is based on people who are are already severely sick. What about the vast numbers of people who have it and don't have any symptoms, or had it and didn't know they had it. It's not really a 2% death rate. It's a 2% death rate of people who got sick, had severe symptoms, and were tested. You and I and millions like us are not in the test group. We weren't tested. The 2% is a bogus number.

I give up if you can't figure out the difference.
Been saying this for weeks.... but "kitchen table" science is frowned upon around here....
 

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I see what you are saying now.

But the 2% death rate is based on people who are are already severely sick. What about the vast numbers of people who have it and don't have any symptoms, or had it and didn't know they had it. It's not really a 2% death rate. It's a 2% death rate of people who got sick, had severe symptoms, and were tested. You and I and millions like us are not in the test group. We weren't tested. The 2% is a bogus number.

I give up if you can't figure out the difference.
I thought that the two percent mortality rate was for anyone infected. But if it is two percent of only seriously ill then that is different. But at this stage of the game. That does not really tell you that much. They can not know at this stage how many people will actually even get seriously ill. There have been a number of predictions made, but nobody really knows.

Even Fauchi said himself that the virus will run the timeline on this. We are not in a position to do this.
 

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I thought that the two percent mortality rate was for anyone infected. But if it is two percent of only seriously ill then that is different. But at this stage of the game. That does not really tell you that much. They can not know at this stage how many people will actually even get seriously ill. There have been a number of predictions made, but nobody really knows.

Even Fauchi said himself that the virus will run the timeline on this. We are not in a position to do this.
Yeah, no doubt that everyone is concerned. And, the contagion rate may very well be higher with Covid-19. My point is really just that the Media has perpetuated and exaggerated this situation to sell news and press their agenda forward without any regard to the economy, jobs, and people's fear of the unknown. The Covid death ticker on CNN is a perfect example.
 

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Now I see what you are saying.

Yeah, no doubt that everyone is concerned. And, the contagion rate may very well be higher with Covid-19. My point is really just that the Media has perpetuated and exaggerated this situation to sell news and press their agenda forward without any regard to the economy, jobs, and people's fear of the unknown. The Covid death ticker on CNN is a perfect example.
And I concur. But I still think that this thing could end up being pretty bad.
 

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I thought that the two percent mortality rate was for anyone infected. But if it is two percent of only seriously ill then that is different. But at this stage of the game. That does not really tell you that much. They can not know at this stage how many people will actually even get seriously ill. There have been a number of predictions made, but nobody really knows.

Even Fauchi said himself that the virus will run the timeline on this. We are not in a position to do this.
The 2% mortality is based on confirmed cases, those that both show severe enough symptoms to seek medical case, AND are testing, and come up positive.
This goes back to what I was saying a week or so back- fatalities/ "confirmed" cases is bad, grammer school math, and bad science.... its more complex than that.
 

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I watched to the local FOX news a few minutes ago, and the numbers were that 55k tests have been done state-wide (Texas). Of those, 5,400 have been confirmed positive. Of that 5,400 confirmed cases, 91 have died. So, the numbers are: 10% of tested individuals are "positive", and 1.5% have died (mortality rate). Of the number of tested, that becomes 0.15% - that's only the number tested. As more tests are administered, who knows how those numbers change, but out of a general population of 28 million, that's a rate of 0.00032% rate. Depends on how one wants to structure the numbers on spreading fear. Do I think it's a nasty bug? I do indeed - especially in dense population areas where those percentages would be higher than the overall average. Even at a week away from turning 69 years old, I fear the destruction to the economy and delivery infrastructure more than the "bug" itself. JMHO.
 
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