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I recently walked into a gun shop and picked up some springfield armory smaller than full size 45's and they felt great. Now I'm looking and wondering and kimber is the other brand I'm considering, besides Springfield. I'm new to 45's in general, shot an old stock military one maybe 100 times, that's it. Any suggestions for a smaller size kimber for shooting and possible concealed carry? I have small hands and that's why I don't want a full sized. If there are things I need to consider, or anything else to help me decide I'm really open. any help appreciated. Kyle

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I prefer Kimber. Look into Pro Carry, Ultra Carry, Ultra/Compact/Pro CDP...you won't be dissapointed! Even my die-hard Springfield shootin' buddies love the CDP series!

Good Luck!

"Driver carries only $20 worth of ammunition"

Small hands, large hands, it wouldn't matter with a Full Size vs. and Officers.

The grp circumference is the same. Personaly, the slide is extremely easy to hide, if you carry IWB, so the advatage of the lner sight radius, better terminal velocities in general, and balance for recoil control favor the larger gun, ven a Kimber Compact" becomes a happy medium.

Good luck with your choice... I am sure yu'll be happy.
I too have small hands, and I like the feel of the Pro Carry. I tried a few guns before making my decision, and the Pro Carry felt the best to me. I think it has good balance and controlled recoil. Try a few if you can and you may find one just feels more natural to you.

Keep in mind as jaydee stated, the grip on the Pro Carry is the same as a full size Kimber, however the barrel is shorter by about an inch. If you go with the Compact, then the length of the grip is about a half inch shorter and you still have a 4 inch barrel. Again, circumference of the grip is the same. I like the feel of the full size frame and the 4 inch barrel. I did not get the chance to handle a Pro Carry CDP before I made my purchase, but I would definitely check it out.
It depends on what you want the gun for. The Kimber CDP series has an alloy frame and is not designed to be shot a lot. (Shoot a little and carry a lot.) The Pro Carry SLE or HD has a steel frame and should hold up well to lots of shooting. I also find the recoil to be a little sharper in an alloy versus a steel framed gun.

As the other posters said, the size of your hand doesn't matter since the grip circumference is the same on all the guns. With thin grips and a short trigger, 1911s can become very "small hand friendly." The question is which size gun do you prefer? Although there's only 1" difference in the barrel the Commander size guns (Pro Carry) feel and point differently than the gov't model. I'm 5'8" and slight, and the Commander size just works better for me--better balance, pointability, etc.
Howard, no disrespect, but please show me an alloy frame that failed, and its ammo count (factory only, I don't trust failures in reload-shooting weapons to be the gun's fault.) Then we can talk about durability.

I've seen procarry's at 20,000 rounds that look better than HD's at 5,000.. YMMV
Originally posted by Arrowman:
Howard, no disrespect, but please show me an alloy frame that failed, and its ammo count (factory only, I don't trust failures in reload-shooting weapons to be the gun's fault.) Then we can talk about durability.

I've seen procarry's at 20,000 rounds that look better than HD's at 5,000.. YMMV
Not to start a flame war, but I have made my feelings known many times in the past on this issue. Personally, I do not subscribe to the notion that an Alloy frame 1911 is one that must be "shot little, but carried a lot". In fact, I have carried many different Alloy framed Colt's over the years, and a number of them have sustained very high round counts in my possession, some had high round counts before I ever owned them.

In my personal experience, not a single one failed due to over use. I have heard of some that have, and a couple that were "Shot Out", but information has been inconclusive as to what the root cause was. Possibly over pressured loads adding undue stress, possibly poor care, and feeding of the child. Consider the the 7075 Alloy Kimber uses is a bit more durable that the alloy the Colt LWT was made with.

I will quickly admit that I don't expect an Alloy to stand up to the same levels of abuse a steel framed gun would. I would never expect to see one surpass 100k rounds, but then, I don't think too many people here would ever manage 25,000 rounds with a particular gun, but whose to say.

I will also admit that the Feed Ramp is one area that should be monitored if you choose to shoot certain JHP styles, though much has improved in recent years in terms of design, and ogive or profile of the current JHP's. A ramped barrel, or steel ramp insert is a realistic and worthwile upgrade to combat this issue, though I tend to shoot mainly ball, and don't have many concerns in this area.

I go through spurts. Recently, with 45acp, I was averaging about 200 rounds per session, 3 times a week, though lately, it has been more like 200 rounds 3 times a month.

Anyway, with care, and due diligence, most Alloy frames with survive under most conditions that the average shooter would engage in. Some people are extremely hard on their guns, some aren't. You'd have to be the judge, but I think many get a little overboard when it comes to not wanting to shoot an Alloy for fear of damage due to excessive use.

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I have a Kimber Compact steel-framed. I've been very happy with this gun which has become my primary carry gun. Look it over. I think you'll like it.

Jaydee and Arrowman,

How was the slide to frame fit on the alloy guns after 10-15k rounds?

I'm not saying that alloy frames are junk -- they're not. My carry gun is an alloy Pro Carry. But, as you said, they won't stand up to the same abuse or high round count as a steel frame. If you could only have one 1911 would it be a steel or alloy frame? My hunch is that it would be a steel frame. Is it as comfortable to shoot 200+ rounds in one session with an alloy frame compared to a steel frame?
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