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You Colt guys are right, springfields are blocky. I just got mine back and I'm disappointed to say the least. They didn't replace the warped frame. I'm seriously thinking about selling it and buying a XSE. Good idea? I don't mind having less features for better qualtiy.
 

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Hi sean...
Even if you went with the new rollmarked 1991A1, I think you would be pleased with the fit,finish and function. Out of the box, they work.
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sean,

Does the slide still rub the front dust cover like before? If so, I'd call their service manager tomorrow morning and lay it on them. Either they replace it or they buy it back. Why should you take a loss on it?

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Nope, they fitted a new slide to the frame so the rubbing is gone. The new slide is nice and flat. However the polishing job is sub par. The frame was not replaced because they didn't feel it was warped, besides the fact that it looked just like the slide they replaced. It really makes the gun look cheap. I'm going to call them again tomorrow and see what can be done. However, I really don't want to wait another seven weeks. I thought about getting a matte chrome job to cover it over, but for that price I would rather sell it and buy a Colt.
 

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Ya, sometimes you have to just cut your losses and move on. Been down that road before myself more than once.

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Hi sean....
Suddenly, you now have a SA that doesn't match the original appearance when purchased. If the pistol looks worse than it did before, get SA to take it back and make it right. Then, when you get it back, sell it. You'll probably get a better price if the cosmetics are corrected. Then, get yourself a Colt. (I never have cared much for SA, especially their original Mil-Spec guns so understand, I am very biased toward Colt.)
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The old SA's (made 1992 and prior) were very well made. I dunno what happened but they suddenly developed this strange attitude regarding their guns. Suddenly the frames and slides became thick and the internal parts very cheap. The worst example were the early STS guns, where the internal parts were carbon steel, blued then with a funny-looking silver plating on top! It's like they were saying, "Hell, the average owner is just gonna turn around and rebuild this gun anyway, why put any effort into making it look nice?".

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Originally posted by Roverman:
agree with col132. get a new 1991/GM and start shooting instead of fiddling around with the wanta-be clones

Clones? The SAs and Kimbers and others are hardly clones. They do not have the one distinguishing feature of the Colts...Series 80 firing pin block.

As a lawerized pistol, the Colt 1991 has no equal.
 

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Sorry, I have to ask. What are the benefits of the firing pin block? Does it have the same net effect as the Ruger revolver transfer bar?
 

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Originally posted by varitone:
Sorry, I have to ask. What are the benefits of the firing pin block? Does it have the same net effect as the Ruger revolver transfer bar?
Hello Varitone:

The Series 80 firing pin plunger blocks the forward travel of the firing pin unless the grip safety is depressed and the trigger is pulled, moving the plunger up unblocking the FP.

The idea is that this will prevent a loaded Colt 45 from discharging if dropped.

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Accidental discharge protection for anyone with the hammer down and a round chambered or cocked and locked? If just c & l then it's a redundant safety feature - right? Or does it mean it's okay to have the hammer down on a chambered round?
 

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Originally posted by varitone:
Accidental discharge protection for anyone with the hammer down and a round chambered or cocked and locked? If just c & l then it's a redundant safety feature - right? Or does it mean it's okay to have the hammer down on a chambered round?
A 1911, when dropped on the bushing/ face down, just right, can fire.
The fall gives the firing pin enough energy to move forward against the bullet.

It's worth noting that almost every gun on the market has a firing pin block, even the Walther is (supposedly) getting redone by S&W to have one. The newer Kimber's have one that is actuated off the grip safety, and Springfield uses a light-titanium firing pin with a heavy duty firing pin spring to minimize chances.
 

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Originally posted by LW McVay:

Clones? The SAs and Kimbers and others are hardly clones. They do not have the one distinguishing feature of the Colts...Series 80 firing pin block.

As a lawerized pistol, the Colt 1991 has no equal.
Technically, just like the upgrade from the 1911 to the 1911a1, Colt can upgrade their pistol whenever they wish and it's still original.
As it is, no one makes a gun identical to a 1911, and Colt makes one identical to the 1911a1, in the form of the reproduction. There's always the AutoOrdnance, and the Rock (Island? River? whichever, it's hideous).
 

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Originally posted by varitone:
Accidental discharge protection for anyone with the hammer down and a round chambered or cocked and locked? If just c & l then it's a redundant safety feature - right? Or does it mean it's okay to have the hammer down on a chambered round?
If a Colt Government model (Series 70) had a weak firing pin, it is possible that a sharp blow could cause the firing pin to travel forward, causing the gun to discharge in either Cocked & Locked (mode 3) or with the hammer down with a round in the chamber.

Carrying a Colt Government Model with the hammer down on a loaded chamber is not one of the Colt factory recommended carry modes for a Series 70 or 80 pistol. Mode 1 = Magazine empty, Chamber empty; Mode 2 = Magazine loaded, Chamber empty, hammer down; Mode 3 = Magazine loaded, Chamber loaded, Hammer cocked, safety on.

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Originally posted by dsk:
The old SA's (made 1992 and prior) were very well made. I dunno what happened .......SNIP........ebuild this gun anyway, why put any effort into making it look nice?".

Maybe that's why I have had only good experiences with SA!.......I haven't bought one of there firearms since about 1990. Sure been pleased with the one that I still have......about a 1990 vintage SA Custom Shop pistol.

Even so the sides of the slide were not flat and I sent it back to SA but it fit the frame well and worked perfectly.

Sean, if you decide to fix it yourself, You might send it to Bob Cogan at Accurate Plating Weapons (what a dumb ass name) in Saftey Harbor, Fl. He'll do a great job of Chroming it but Col132 probably has the best idea if you aren't worn out with SA, let them do it.

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Originally posted by FirearmsPlus.FL:
Technically, just like the upgrade from the 1911 to the 1911a1, Colt can upgrade their pistol whenever they wish and it's still original.
Still original Colt maybe, but not original in the sense of a 1911 or 1911A1 mil-spec type guns...actually from many different manufacturers by the way. Not just Colt.

Originally posted by FirearmsPlus.FL:

As it is, no one makes a gun identical to a 1911,
True.

Originally posted by FirearmsPlus.FL:
and Colt makes one identical to the 1911a1, in the form of the reproduction.
Not to quibble with you, but that isn't true. There are many aspects of the Repro that aren't "true" to the "real" 1911A1s...Yes, stylistically they are similar, but hardly identical.
 

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sean, sorry to hear about your woes. I looked long and hard at Springfield before I purchased my Colt XSE. My thought was, it's got most of what I want, why should I customize the Colt? But the frontstrap was a deciding factor for me, as was the Colt name, because my grandfather carried one in the Army. I like the above suggestions to try again and have Springfield make it right. They are supposed to have good customer service. Then perhaps sell the improved gun, or get your money back, and put it towards an XSE. I believe they can be had for around $730 if you buy it on sale.
No problems with mine at 315 rounds, it's at the gunsmith right now getting Trijicons and a Videcki short solid trigger.
 
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