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To the OP and all the ones not fully committed to the Constitution:

Now is the time to not only buy more, but make sure it can't be found. Stored safely, away from you yet accessible. Untraceable to you. Storage unit in your name? Bad idea. Buried in a friend's backyard? It'd have to be some trustworthy friend. But you get the idea. You can't have all your stash in your house, that's the first place they'll go for!

It's time to party like it's 1775. That means hide your ****, and apply opsec - don't be talking about it. You never know at work who the socialists are. Actually sometimes it's rather obvious who they are, they're so good at self-identifying.

It also means plan and rehearse. What would you do if the door does explode at 2 am on a Tuesday? Comply, or defend yourself? Could you actually *do* it? Will the nerves let you? Will your heartbeat and adrenaline let you sight and trigger properly?

One such defense may be a loon. Two may be just crazy people. Thousands across the States will be Martyrs. I'd like to think that after enough bloodshed public opinion will turn against the banners.

THen again, I am wired very much unlike most people. My scenarios may be backwards from what most would think would happen.
 

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No argument there.

A gutted anti-gun bill is still an anti-gun bill. The legislature realized after the rally, that they dumped the frog into water that was already boiling. They will now try to be incremental and turn up the heat slowly like CA did.
Certainly a bad bill is still a bad bill. But the way that it affects people is something else entirely. Additionally a watered down bill means that much less ground you have to recover when you come back at these animals.

Additionally they can and will try to win this thing a piece at a time. Just like they will try to do it all across the country. But I am not as convinced that they will be able to accomplish this as some here are. I suppose that you think that the twenty plus thousand people that all showed up for lobby day in Richmond were all wasting their time.
 

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Certainly a bad bill is still a bad bill. But the way that it affects people is something else entirely. Additionally a watered down bill means that much less ground you have to recover when you come back at these animals.

Additionally they can and will try to win this thing a piece at a time. Just like they will try to do it all across the country. But I am not as convinced that they will be able to accomplish this as some here are. I suppose that you think that the twenty plus thousand people that all showed up for lobby day in Richmond were all wasting their time.
No, I don't think that at all. They bought some additional time and showed everyone that we aren't the violent thugs the media paints us as being. All I'm saying is don't feel the need to back down yet.
 

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For those who believe that the army wouldn't do anything. Read about the Bonus Army, the Army sent about 1,000 troop up against 17,000 veterans. The army also deployed tanks. People talk about the "brotherhood of veterans" but that didn't seem to cut any ice back then.

Organized and trained troop will usually defeat a disorganized mob.
 

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Nobody is backing down here in VA.

No, I don't think that at all. They bought some additional time and showed everyone that we aren't the violent thugs the media paints us as being. All I'm saying is don't feel the need to back down yet.
Come November we will be going after quite a few of these Nimrods.
 

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For those who believe that the army wouldn't do anything. Read about the Bonus Army, the Army sent about 1,000 troop up against 17,000 veterans. The army also deployed tanks. People talk about the "brotherhood of veterans" but that didn't seem to cut any ice back then.

Organized and trained troop will usually defeat a disorganized mob.
No one has said the Army wouldn't do anything. But not ALL of the Army is going to comply with unconstitutional laws. Nor are ALL cops going to comply. To believe otherwise is to buy into the Leftist (think Biden and Swallowswell tactics).
 

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I don't give much credence to the endless amount of chest-pounding on gun forum's as far as who is brave and who is not. It is just pointless talk if the bravery isn't paired with team work, consolidation of forces, and a plan to resist.

Bravery in and by itself isn't enough (assuming all those who tell us how brave they are - truly are brave). A Banzai attack against US Marines usually amounted to a "tale told by a fool, signifying nothing". A lot of dead-"Jap's" to use the colloquialism of the day. Brave yes, smart - no.

I'm more interested in what ones strategy is rather than how brave a person is. That is why I am happy to support the VA patriots, they have exhibited bravery so far, but beyond that, they have a collective means to resist throughout the state. They need to formulate further plans and strengthen the coalition against potential violent attempts by the evil-governor, but so far they have done more than any state has to date in preparation of resisting.
 

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I don't give much credence to the endless amount of chest-pounding on gun forum's as far as who is brave and who is not. It is just pointless talk if the bravery isn't paired with team work, consolidation of forces, and a plan to resist.
If we're thinking about it here, then it's already happening. But I doubt we'd hear about it here. This place isn't secure, none of the internet is without taking quite concrete steps to make it secure.

One thing's fer sure, I need to get out and meet my local fellow gun nuts and constitutionalists. I guess that is the last function of the alleged "gun show"
 

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No one has said the Army wouldn't do anything. But not ALL of the Army is going to comply with unconstitutional laws. Nor are ALL cops going to comply. To believe otherwise is to buy into the Leftist (think Biden and Swallowswell tactics).
What if the constitution is changed?
 

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Some things are best illustrated with Statistics.

There are well over 100 Million Gun Owners in the United States. There is somewhere (depending on whose numbers you believe) over 300 Million firearms in private hands in the USA. Of those, over 20 MILLION meet the definition of "Assault Weapon", each with an average of 6-8 magazines apiece. And there are BILLIONS of rounds of ammunition in american closets, on shelves and in gun safes.

What is the size of the force that would be available to take these arms, assuming a worst case, Bernie Sanders "Soviet Style" Communistic State happens this election?

First of all, if you add up every cop, sheriff's officer, FBI, regular Army and National Guard - you don't get much over 2 Million available "Enforcers". Many of those wearing these uniforms do understand the Oath they have taken "to preserve the Constitution of the United States from All Enemies, Foreign and Domestic" - and would not be very good enforcers. Some would quit, some would "look the other way" and some might turn their weapons on the oppressors themselves.

But let's assume you have 2 Million eager "Bernie Bro trained" enforcers. Let's say only 10 Percent of those 100 Million gun owners would resist. Let's see - an Army of Ten Million against an Army of Two Million - how would that play out?? And an awful lot of the guys on the resistance side are former Army or LE themselves - they know the drill,, and would be quite effective in making the Enforcers pay an outsized price. Cops have homes and families to worry about, too - I recall a time when some of the Drug Culture shot up several of our Officer's houses in Drive By Shootings - and it was pretty tense wearing a uniform with a police car parked outside for us and worrying about a random bullet coming through the house and killing someone you love. If this goes to blows, it will be messy - but it will be equally so for both sides, make no mistake. Which is why we MUST fight this out Politically, with Words, Logic and Ballots, Not Bullets. No Civil War was ever Civil, and we must avoid one if we can.

Support the right candidates - with help on the campaign, or money. Talk to your friend s and neighbors - if each of us got one more person to vote right next election the problem would be solved. Let's stop the other side from creating the Next Civil War - through education and persuasion.

It's time to educate you family members - and explain what is at stake. If we fail to win the war of words, and we stand by the Oath to the Constitution so many of us here have taken, we might have to resort to measures none of us want. CC

PS - Want to know what it could be like? Re-screen Mel Gibson's movie "The Patriot". Pay attention to the more grim, ugly parts, and make your own appropriate decisions and preparations. Let's not let that happen, friends. CC
You've produced some good, and pretty accurate statistics and numbers. Unfortunately, the analysis is significantly under developed and falls short. When you use terms like "many" or "an awful lot" in the analysis, its failed, its raw chicken. The analysis needs to be quantifiable just as the stats do. You have the liberty to make assumptions, but they must be support in a logical manner.

Of those 100m gun "owners", how many are seriously pro 2A? How many 80 year old widows with their late husbands old single shot 12ga rusting in the corner are counted as "gun owners"? How many casual or passively interested "gun owners are there? How many consistantly vote for pro 2A candidates? How many are physically able to resist? Of those 20m "assault weapons", how many are owned by passive, casual owners, how many are owned by single individuals? What %s are required for an insurgency to succeed? How many guerrillas, auxiliaries, and undergrounds? What kind of leadership structure is necessary for transition? Historically, what % of a population activity participants in and insurrection?

I'll wager anything I own that it would be very nearly impossible to get even 1% of those "gun owners" together, in a single place, for a peaceful pro 2A demonstration- even with 6 months lead time... and there's no risk, no real sacrifice involved in participating in such an event.

There a great deal more than just the raw numbers...
 

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I don't give much credence to the endless amount of chest-pounding on gun forum's as far as who is brave and who is not. It is just pointless talk.....
On the internet.....everyone is 6'3" and 225 lbs of pure badass.
 

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Some may grouse about it and say that they are stuck. The majority of them are only saying this euphemistically I doubt that anyone here that has "a comfortable job or lifestyle". That they do not have the wherewithal to relocate. I do not think that we have a single member here that is "stuck" where they live.

After Monday I may find myself in a position whereby my gun rights may be curtailed to an extent. I have the wherewithal to live anywhere that I wish pretty much. But I am not going anywhere. My wife and I are staying right here. And we will be fitting these bitches all the way.
Let me add to this...Leaving a state to go "hide" in another state isn't guarantee of anything. Just think of all the folks who moved from "up north" to VA and now face the shocking reality that they may have moved for nothing (if the gun issue was indeed their only reason for moving as some postulate).

We can take this retreat strategy to its final conclusion, we all retreat into a handful of states and feel safe for a time. But now that only a handful of states vote republican, we loose anyway because the Federal Government enters an endless rain of terror with Dems owning H, S, and E branches, restructures the constitution and the courts.

Leaving a lefty-state is not a strategy for 2A success, it may serve an individual, but it has nothing to do with "courage" or any other noble concept like that. Actually, one could make just the opposite argument.
 

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Knowing when a fight is absolutely, irrevocable lost to change through available means, and adjusting accordingly, is sound strategy.
CA, NJ, NY, CT and such are absolutely, completely, 100% lost to positive pro 2A change through the ballot box. The ONLY thing that will restore the 2A in such places is a sweeping, crystal clear, powerful SCOTUS decision. There's nothing that the citizens of those States can do to change that. To think otherwise is to be living in MR Rodgers Land of Make Believe....
 

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No one has said the Army wouldn't do anything. But not ALL of the Army is going to comply with unconstitutional laws. Nor are ALL cops going to comply. To believe otherwise is to buy into the Leftist (think Biden and Swallowswell tactics).
What if the constitution is changed?
What if Santa Claus comes down your chimney?
 

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What if Santa Claus comes down your chimney?
The question is, for all of you constitutionalists, if the constitution is changed, will you comply. After all, at that point the gun ban would be constitutional.

At my house, Santa comes through the kitchen door.
 

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There are provisions within it to allow lawful changes.

What if the constitution is changed?
It is known as the amendment process. Anything else is unlawful and therefore invalid. As such it will not be recognized by the majority of the population. Aside from that there are higher laws than the US constitution. There is no way that these laws can ever be amended, compromised, or changed.

You either stand for this, or not.
 

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What if the constitution is changed?
It is known as the amendment process. Anything else is unlawful and therefore invalid. As such it will not be recognized by the majority of the population. Aside from that there are higher laws than the US constitution. There is no way that these laws can ever be amended, compromised, or changed.

You either stand for this, or not.
Solid.
 
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