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I did not vote for a single incumbent. Things need to change. It is already stacked enough. Look at the rules for nominating someone independent of the board's selections...it takes like 500 signatures!
 

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WRAPPING UP:

Just finished filling out my ballot. Four (4) candidates to whom none of my disqualifiers applied. Had to knock off a couple of whom I'd previously mentioned favorably. Being incumbent was NOT a disqualifier; but incumbent and apparent complicity with current leadership was a disqualifier. After other disqualifiers, that left only one whom I recognized as an incumbent.

If you have not yet voted, please allow me to offer this for consideration:

Bullet voting - Wikipedia

This is why I essentially never vote for more than five, usually three or less, candidates in the NRA Board of Directors elections.

This year I was being more thorough than usual. In being more thorough, I figured out a better tool for parts of evaluating candidates than I've previously used: enemies lists, that is enemies' enemies lists. Sorry candidates, if in a search-engine result, you don't show up on the site:


NRA On the Record - Home # not even secure(?!?)

.. or better ( |:- K ) yet:


... which runs columns describing NRA as "a domestic terror organization", likely won't make the cut*.

Hoping it was easier for you all: "... all the way the paper bag was on my knee; indybay's a dreadful site ...".


*- Speaking of making the cut, the litmus columnist wrote this sentence(?) in a column:

Locally famous for shooting a killer with butcher knive [.]
- Lyn da Carson

... copied-and-pasted, written and spelt exactly as shown; [.] represents leaving out a parenthetical remark "(see above)", in interest of ... clarity?.
 

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I will hold my nose and vote. Man, they so need to get some decent gun people for us to vote on! In the first place why so many? Why so non-representative of the ranks? Why does it look like every other gravey-stained corporate moron board of yesteryear?
I sat in on a board of a major retailer some years ago and thought to myself at the time where do they dredge these corporate lackluster types up from? No original thinkers. No risk takers. No nothings seems to be the status quo for the NRA anymore.
I am still a member but if they don’t get their act together I will not send a dime further to them since I believe they may no longer be of any real value to us.
 

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For anyone who may not be keeping up with the most recent developments, the attached are links to the Intervention Motion and to the NRA's Opposition to the motion. Good reads if you have some time. It's way past time for a good house-cleaning!



We are in a fight for the survival of the NRA. If the NRA falls, we are in serious trouble - more so than many imagine. Not only are the other organizations too small to fill the void, but they too will become targets for elimination because the precedent would have been set.

The votes we are about to cast for the NRA Board are perhaps the most critical in the history of the organization. Either we fight, if we're truly serious, or we sit and watch from the sidelines as the 2A is further whittled away at. One thing for sure, there are many in DC, on both sides of the aisle, hoping for the NRA's demise. That alone tells you all you need to know...... and what you need to do.
 

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For anyone who may not be keeping up with the most recent developments, the attached are links to the Intervention Motion and to the NRA's Opposition to the motion. Good reads if you have some time. It's way past time for a good house-cleaning!



We are in a fight for the survival of the NRA. If the NRA falls, we are in serious trouble - more so than many imagine. Not only are the other organizations too small to fill the void, but they too will become targets for elimination because the precedent would have been set.

The votes we are about to cast for the NRA Board are perhaps the most critical in the history of the organization. Either we fight, if we're truly serious, or we sit and watch from the sidelines as the 2A is further whittled away at. One thing for sure, there are many in DC, on both sides of the aisle, hoping for the NRA's demise. That alone tells you all you need to know...... and what you need to do.
With all respect, you assume the NRA is actually doing something and being effective. All the recent progress or hoped for progress is moving forward from the other guys. The only value the current NRA provides is as a big target for the libs. While the libs focus on the NRA the other guys are more free to act. The ONLY way the NRA will reform is for the money and support to dry up. Hoping to generate change through the board as currently structured is just that, a hope. We all know that hope is a piss poor strategy.
 

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With all respect, you assume the NRA is actually doing something and being effective. All the recent progress or hoped for progress is moving forward from the other guys. The only value the current NRA provides is as a big target for the libs. While the libs focus on the NRA the other guys are more free to act. The ONLY way the NRA will reform is for the money and support to dry up. Hoping to generate change through the board as currently structured is just that, a hope. We all know that hope is a piss poor strategy.
On the contrary. If you read my other posts on tis matter, you'll see that I believe the NRA to be doing only a small fraction of what it could, and should, be doing. This has actually been true for a while - it's not a new phenomenon. Part of that is piss-poor leadership and part of that is an apathetic and disinterested membership. The truth is that we are where we are because 'WE" - the membership - allowed it to happen. Where I believe you are mistaken is that your suggested cure is, for all practical terms, worse than the disease. If the NRA withers and dies because support dries up, the attack on our rights will only accelerate and intensify. The others simply do not have the size nor scope, and certainly don't carry the same force of weight. The NRA must not whither, but rather we must reform it. Hope is a worthless strategy, but so is standing on the sidelines doing nothing - and the NRA has many, many members that subscribe to that latter philosophy.
 

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On the contrary. If you read my other posts on tis matter, you'll see that I believe the NRA to be doing only a small fraction of what it could, and should, be doing. This has actually been true for a while - it's not a new phenomenon. Part of that is piss-poor leadership and part of that is an apathetic and disinterested membership. The truth is that we are where we are because 'WE" - the membership - allowed it to happen. Where I believe you are mistaken is that your suggested cure is, for all practical terms, worse than the disease. If the NRA withers and dies because support dries up, the attack on our rights will only accelerate and intensify. The others simply do not have the size nor scope, and certainly don't carry the same force of weight. The NRA must not whither, but rather we must reform it. Hope is a worthless strategy, but so is standing on the sidelines doing nothing - and the NRA has many, many members that subscribe to that latter philosophy.
^^^ this ^^^

One item that I'll re-iterate: to me it appears current leadership is exploiting / gaming a poorly-designed system for dampening / moderating membership reactions. As a result, I have little to no confidence that the BoD alone can effect the needed change.

By design, BoD change is far too slow: 28 nominees for 25 seats?!? Only 1/3 of the total seats each year? That can mean <4% turn-over each year if all possible non-incumbents are elected. That's a design specifically intended to prevent change. Instead, we need for tens-of-thousands attendees at the Annual Meeting to overwhelm normal order of business, provoke a re-boot. Such a large fraction of the attending membership that parliamentarian procedure cannot impede us. The meeting is the 1st weekend of Sep.
 
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Still, even if only serving as a lightning rod for the libs / socialists / neo Marxist, that's a good thing.
Keeps them from focusing too hard on the little guys.
 

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Does any one know of any other organization/s with as many or more members of their BOD?
 

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Does any one know of any other organization/s with as many or more members of their BOD?
No........ and it's an absurdity that needs to be addressed and corrected. With that many slots, there's simply too much opportunity for board members to merely 'exist' in a haze of obscurity. Personally, I've never given a hoot about those with celebrity status, name recognition, or any other descriptor short of a willingness to work hard and relentless determination in pursuit of Freedom and American principles. I want people on that Board that have that drive ingrained in their DNA. Serving on the NRA Board should be less about resume-building and more about fighting, tooth and nail, to preserve rights, a way of life, and a legacy passed down from generation to generation found nowhere else on this planet. I may be wrong, and I hope that I am, but I sincerely believe that if we lose the NRA, we lose. It won't take long for the other organizations to be plowed under or marginalized. Most of us view the left as the main enemy. I agree that they are, but our main enemies are apathy and indifference. We wouldn't be in this boat if it wasn't for apathy. and indifference.
 

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No........ and it's an absurdity that needs to be addressed and corrected. With that many slots, there's simply too much opportunity for board members to merely 'exist' in a haze of obscurity. Personally, I've never given a hoot about those with celebrity status, name recognition, or any other descriptor short of a willingness to work hard and relentless determination in pursuit of Freedom and American principles. I want people on that Board that have that drive ingrained in their DNA. Serving on the NRA Board should be less about resume-building and more about fighting, tooth and nail, to preserve rights, a way of life, and a legacy passed down from generation to generation found nowhere else on this planet. I may be wrong, and I hope that I am, but I sincerely believe that if we lose the NRA, we lose. It won't take long for the other organizations to be plowed under or marginalized. Most of us view the left as the main enemy. I agree that they are, but our main enemies are apathy and indifference. We wouldn't be in this boat if it wasn't for apathy. and indifference.
^^^ this ^^^

... agree with almost all of it. Loss of NRA will mean loss of the political phase of the disagreement over Liberty vs Statism. What little spine the congressional Republicans have had for more than 20yrs has been spine-on-loan from the NRA ... not the NRA leadership as much as the NRA membership.
 

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I think the two posters above have it nailed. We, as NRA members, have to become active in our own outcome going forward. It will help if every member gets active in this, and also recruits more members to constitute a larger "voting block" that more congress-critters will pay attention to.
 

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Appreciated.

Perhaps we should have bright red 1911 Forum armbands made up so we can find ourselves?

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Or better yet? A 1911 forum table?
How to go about contacting sponsors about that?
tgt_usa?



If you are planning on going to Houston, would you PM me?
Even though we are planning alternative means of meeting, brassards are a good idea. "1911forum" might require permission from the forum. But I believe something could be managed, should that not be forthcoming. e.g. something like:

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... (we could do better not limited to emojis).

Yes, though usually putting the "b" in subtle, when pressed, I can be sneaky.
 

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Here's the latest chapter in the ongoing saga.......... the response in support of intervention, refuting the NRA's opposition.

file:///C:/Users/hoove_000/Downloads/2021.07.20,%20Doc%20%23%20322+324,%20Intervenors%20Reply%20Memo%20+%20Ex%201.pdf

Posting to keep everyone informed...... well, those interested, anyway.

That looks like a link to a file on YOUR computer.
Won't work for me.
 

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Mo betta, jim.

Worth reading guys.

1INTRODUCTION
The NRA’s five million members would be shocked to learn that the New York Attorney General can sue to dissolve the Association and distribute its assets (namely their dues and contributions built over decades) to other entities, without any notice to the members and no opportunity to contest this before the Court makes a finding as to dissolution. Yet, that is the AG’s position.
 
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