[magazineman]

I beg to differ. School, literature, maturity, and especially experience has fixed quite a lot of my stupidity. Not all of it, but a good amount. . So yes, you CAN fix some stupid.

Hopefully I'll get even less stupid before my decline into senility. The specter of THAT beast looms closer by the day!

 

[magazineman]

Note that after you reach age 24 the likelihood that you will commit murder drops off very rapidly. It's a Fixing Of Stupid. ------- Also known as Growing The F Up.

 

[havanajim]

I don't typically concern myself with how folks carry their firearms, but I do notice those that do carry. It's just part of my situational awareness particularly when I'm boxed in, like at a restaurant or some such place. However, there is one mode of carry that does irk me somewhat........ a horizontal, shoulder rig!!! I was at a restaurant once when a guy wearing a sport coat walked in. He sat with his back to me waiting for someone to join him. When his dinner date arrived, he stood, took off his coat and sat back down. He had some sort of badge on his belt and the aforementioned horizontal, shoulder rig.

When he sat down, again with his back to me, I was staring right down the barrel of his .45 ACP 1911. Now, thank goodness that he at least had the decency to carry a pistol with a manual safety in that type of rig, but still, I don't like to eat with a gun barrel pointed right at me. I don't care what kind of commando you think you are, I don't want to be anywhere near you when you're forced to draw from a rig like that - safety or no safety. Yes, it looks cool, at least on screen, but it's disconcerting for those around you. I moved, and kept an eye on him and his pistol's muzzle.

 

[keith44spl]

^^^^^
Horizontal rig are a muzzle discipline poor design....
Worst that the upside down revolver holster of the 60s & 70s

Hollywood tac-cool for the movies, not the real world.
Hence the name Jack-ass Rig.
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[Swift1]

^^^^^
Horizontal rig are a muzzle discipline poor design....
Worst that the upside down revolver holster of the 60s & 70s

Hollywood tac-cool for the movies, not the real world.

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Never bit on the horizontal, can't stomach the thought of unintentionally sweeping others. Disagree on the Safariland upside down holster. My experience is that it is secure, comfortable fast and near invisible. Had it for a lot of years and it still gets some use. With practice, you can draw with either hand. Edit: My experience is with the J frame model. Can't see a benefit for anything bigger.

 

[USMM guy]

I beg to differ. School, literature, maturity, and especially experience has fixed quite a lot of my stupidity. Not all of it, but a good amount. . So yes, you CAN fix some stupid.

Hopefully I'll get even less stupid before my decline into senility. The specter of THAT beast looms closer by the day!

This is certainly true as I can attest to that having done a few things in my life that realize now that I never should have. But this statement should be qualified by saying that fixing your own stupidity is one thing, fixing it in others is something else. This can also be done to a receptive audience. But for some people nothing seems to work.

 

[keith44spl]

Never bit on the horizontal, can't stomach the thought of unintentionally sweeping others. Disagree on the Safariland upside down holster. My experience is that it is secure, comfortable fast and near invisible. Had it for a lot of years and it still gets some use. With practice, you can draw with either hand. Edit: My experience is with the J frame model. Can't see a benefit for anything bigger.

I've worn one of the upside down rigs...With a 2 inch Colt Cobra
What I didn't like, was you purty much had to used both hand to re-holster.

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[Swift1]

I've worn one of the upside down rigs...With a 2 inch Colt Cobra
What I didn't like, was you purty much had to used both hand to re-holster.

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Absolutely. But if / when I pull that revolver, either I'll have all the time in the world to reholster or nothing will ever worry me again.

 

[magazineman]

USMM guy-------- True, fixing the stupid of OTHERS is a tough job. But we try.

 

[AngelDeville]

My wife gets tired of me pointing out potential ammo sources....

 

[riposte191145]

Incorrect, that is a Training Issue. I got 50,000+ rounds down range with my BHP. I used it in various competitions, carried it off duty as a LEO and still carry it now occasionally. It has served me well for 40+ years.

I agree. While I might prefer a larger safety, I don't really have a problem with the regular one.

FWIW I think the SAS carried the "Half-power" in "Condition Zero" because they almost always used gloves. I could see how that might be a problem, depending on the thickness of the glove.

Riposte

 

[USMM guy]

I've worn one of the upside down rigs...With a 2 inch Colt Cobra
What I didn't like, was you purty much had to used both hand to re-holster.

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Well at least if you were going to reholster. Then you would likely have been convinced that things had gone as intended. There is some consolation there. I am actually pretty fond of my 2 inch Colt Cobra. It weighs about nothing and fits me much better than any S&W J- frame.

 

[glider]

I don't typically concern myself with how folks carry their firearms, but I do notice those that do carry. It's just part of my situational awareness particularly when I'm boxed in, like at a restaurant or some such place. However, there is one mode of carry that does irk me somewhat........ a horizontal, shoulder rig!!! I was at a restaurant once when a guy wearing a sport coat walked in. He sat with his back to me waiting for someone to join him. When his dinner date arrived, he stood, took off his coat and sat back down. He had some sort of badge on his belt and the aforementioned horizontal, shoulder rig.

When he sat down, again with his back to me, I was staring right down the barrel of his .45 ACP 1911. Now, thank goodness that he at least had the decency to carry a pistol with a manual safety in that type of rig, but still, I don't like to eat with a gun barrel pointed right at me. I don't care what kind of commando you think you are, I don't want to be anywhere near you when you're forced to draw from a rig like that - safety or no safety. Yes, it looks cool, at least on screen, but it's disconcerting for those around you. I moved, and kept an eye on him and his pistol's muzzle.

I've had the same thing happen to me, I didn't say anything to the officer but that is not a good way to carry. Obviously, it has been approved.

 

[riposte191145]

This old Marine, at one Stateside command, was required to carry with an empty gun. The magazine was loaded but separate from the pistol. I never did know what precipitated that directive, but no one liked it.
I recall seeing a demo by a MP of a one-handed draw from the Israeli carry. He drew his 1911 part way from the holster then turned his wrist towards his hip and pressing the sight into the leather, pushed the gun back down into the holster to chamber a round and completed his draw. Not as fast as having both hands working together but wow, still impressive at how it worked.

This may not be the place for this, and if it is not I apologize, but Chic Gaylord has a picture of an Air Force Policeman who could "beat the quarter" from a flap holster with a 1911 in "Condition three" - he did essentially the same thing (it was a one handed draw and load). Since it is a series of still photos, I'm not sure if he just dropped the quarter with his hand or he gave it a little flip like Bill Jordan used to do. Either way would be impressive to me from a flap holster!

I realize that is hard to believe - but I've seen some "unbelievable" things in my years, Like Bob Munden firing a single action twice so fast it sounds like one shot! I actually saw that in person (on three separate occasions) - he is some slower with live ammo, rather than blanks however.

Riposte

 

[Bogeyman]

My view point:
Carry the way you choose that makes you feel the safest.
But, no matter how you carry, be discrete, and not complacent.
Remember, the "beast" is out there. You just have to have the eyes to see it.