[Tspoon]

The round works the way it is designed for. It is designed to not make it through the barriers you speak of because well frankly in most states, its hard to argue self defense in a situation where you're shooting through a median. Well with the exception of shooting out of automobile glass.

This round is designed to punch through thick layers of clothing and still expand when it hits the bad guy. the problem with several Jacketed Hallow Points is that when they go through thick layers of clothing as someone would be wearing in the winter the tip clogs and the bullet doesn't expand. This causes the round to act much more like a Full Metal Jacket. The point of the polymer in the hillow of the round is to punch through these thick durable layers and then force expansion when hitting the bad guy. The round does what it is supposed to. And if you don't like it there are plenty of other options out there, even by Hornady that are completly up to your standards.

 

[DeltaKilo]

The round works the way it is designed for. It is designed to not make it through the barriers you speak of because well frankly in most states, its hard to argue self defense in a situation where you're shooting through a median. Well with the exception of shooting out of automobile glass.

This round is designed to punch through thick layers of clothing and still expand when it hits the bad guy. the problem with several Jacketed Hallow Points is that when they go through thick layers of clothing as someone would be wearing in the winter the tip clogs and the bullet doesn't expand. This causes the round to act much more like a Full Metal Jacket. The point of the polymer in the hillow of the round is to punch through these thick durable layers and then force expansion when hitting the bad guy. The round does what it is supposed to. And if you don't like it there are plenty of other options out there, even by Hornady that are completly up to your standards.

Most of the recommended hollowpoints for Duty and Self Defense use, including Speer's Gold dot, Federal's HST, Winchester Ranger T-series +P, and the Barnes SCHP as loaded by so many quality manufacturers these days all work well, and do not clog in heavy clothing.

Wilson Combat, among others, indicates that they do not recommend using these rounds in their guns because of reliability issues. The polymer tip, while a good idea in theory, has also caused reliability issues in other guns as well.

Let me be clear, I do not have any particular bias, nor do I personally have any vested interest, short of arguing for the use of the most universally-capable and best-performing options available to the public in cases where self defense must be employed. The goal is to be prepared for and capable of handling any self defense scenario, regardless of what it is. Whether something is "hard to prove" is of lesser concern than preserving your life.

With that said, the ammunition, and its basic ideal is a good one, but it has flaws and issues that have yet to be worked out. Until those flaws are resolved, then there still remain reasons against recommending this ammunition.

As far as Hornady's other bullets, none have yet to show reliable performance in all areas of the standard tests for function compared to other brands, so they remain great hunting bullets, but not ones I would recommend for self defense based on hundreds of tests I've reviewed.

 

[toddzmina]

Hornady: 1500 rounds without a misfire

I use both Hornady 38 Sp and 357mag. I have gone thru 1500+ rounds without a misfire. I shoot a Ruger LCR 357 revolver and a Ruger 77/357 rifle. I trust Hornady's ammo based on my experience with it.