I use a Dillon 650, and use a Vibra-Prime for filling the primer tubes. Takes about 10 seconds to fill a tube. I don't see how brass sorting and cleaning has anything to do with the speed of reloading on the Dillon 650 or any other press.
Dillon advertises a rate of 800-1000 rounds per hour for the 650. I've never really tried to see how fast I can go, but I cn vouch that you can load 100 rounds in just a few minutes. Replenishing the primer supply, using pre-loaded tubes, just takes a few seconds.
OK, OK, I'm sory for not being very clear in my question. Dillon claims 800 to 1,000 rounds per hour. Is this close to accurate considering all the prep work that has to be done prior to pulling the handle. I'm an experienced reloader on the Square Deal and I know that for me it is not possible to load 400 to 500 rds per hour. I want to know how long it takes some of you to load a 1,000 rds. on a 650.
When Dillon advertises that you can load between 800-1000 rds an hour they mean one hour sitting at the reloader, pulling the handle, will load you that amount. They did not include the prep work of loading primer tubes, tumbling brass.
I spend 2-3 hours cleaning my brass in a tumbler and I fill 10 primer tubes before I sit down to load. That said, I can easily hit the 800 round an hour mark. loading at a comfortable pace. My XL-650 has been my best gun related purchase thus far. It has allowed me to shoot frequently, frugally, and all without spending hours at the reloading maching.
I usually tumble brass overnight. It makes it very shiny and I am not in a hurry. I have several thousand pieces so it is not a problem. I load on a Dillon 650 and with primer tubes loaded, I reload about 1000 in an hr and 45 minutes or so. But I am not going for a record. I would rather spend an extra 15 or 20 minutes on reloading that 1000 then be concentrating so hard on speed. I just pull the handle and put new primers in and box up the reloads. No hurry, no worry.
Thank you BillD and Dogcatcher, this was exactly the info I was looking for. I may have to spend a little more time as I sort my brass by headstamps. I too do not go for records while loading. I just wanted to know how close some of you can actually get to Dillon's production figures.
I also need to know what the height of your 650s are from the bench to the top of the case feeder. I have heard that Dillon reduced this height recently but cannot remember by how much. I am limited to 45 inches from benchtop to ceiling. I know I can get this info from Dillon and will contact them Monday.
You are 100% correct in that sorting your brass by headstamp will increase your accuracy in reloads. Different brands of brass have lots of different capacitys and brass thickness. The group of Bullseye shooters that I hung with back in the early 80's tested all kinds of variables in match 45acp Colt Bullseye guns made by Giles and Clark. In a Ransom Rest, using the same head stamp---W-W match or Federal or Winchester made for smaller goups at 50 yards in all of the guns we tested vs. mixed headstamps....In several of the guns (including mine) reloads using W-W once fired brass consistantly fired under 2" groups at 50 yards..... To bad I could not hold the gun as tight as a Ransom Rest Keep sorting the headstamps for accuracy---I still do as well even for my steel blasters........
BTW, the rest of the accurate load was
Home Cast 200 gr from an H&G gang mold
WW- LPP---Hand primed with a Lee auto prime thing.....
Loaded on C&H Auto Champ and Brand new Dillon 550 (1986 or so)
Tumbling brass isn't an issue because I do that in separate lots. I always have a bunch cleaned & ready and another in the tumbler. Filling primer tubes is a different story & it helps to have at least a half dozen prefilled. Starting out with empty tubes and going at a relaxed pace I'd say that I could load 400 to 500 rounds in an hour.
Personally, do you really need a 650?
Pending on how many you really need to reload, I would talk to the guys at Dillon before I made that investment on the 650.
I was told by a couple of people to get the 650.
But when I talked to Dillon, he asked me a few questions, and convinced me to buy the 550.
The added cost for the 650 may not justify your requirements for reloading.
I can easily load 400 rounds an hour, but if I crank up my time, I can get 500+.
I only shoot in the winter months, cuz I don't hunt or fish in the winter. That said, I shoot usually once a week, about 100 to 300 rounds, (sometimes more often).
I also load for my brother, son in law, and a friend, and quite honestly, the 550 is more than adequate.
Talk to Dillon before you take the plunge.
Thank's for all the responses everyone! I think I have pretty much made up my mind. Time is a premium for me and I'd rather be shooting than loading.
I'm a pistol smith at Rock River Arms and am in the process of building a new Limited Match for myself. I get a very good deal from Chuck if I build it on my own time. He makes a little on the parts and charges a little for use of milling tools, etc. I also have the privlege of seeing how my loads shoot from someone who knows how to build accurate pistols and properly use a Ransom Rest. So next spring I'll have a pistol that will shoot less than 1.5 inches at 50 yds and ammo up to the task. Actually a lot of our pistols are shooting an inch or under so that makes it easy to see how my load is shooting. The smallest group I have seen with my ammo was .96 inches, one ragged hole.
Now all I have to do is get my pistol done and get in plenty of practice and I'll be kicking some you know what this spring.