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Whats the consensus here on the 41? Does anybody have one? I'm in the large group looking for a first .22 pistol (mk3 vs buckmark) and have recently heard about this pricey mystery pistol. If a deal can be found somewhere like gunbroker, are they worth the expense? Easy or hard to disassemble and clean? Picky with ammo? I'm open to all info, thanks.
 

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Agent Clark said:
Whats the consensus here on the 41? Does anybody have one? I'm in the large group looking for a first .22 pistol (mk3 vs buckmark) and have recently heard about this pricey mystery pistol. If a deal can be found somewhere like gunbroker, are they worth the expense? Easy or hard to disassemble and clean? Picky with ammo? I'm open to all info, thanks.
I have had one for 15 or so years and love it. It is all steel, extremely accurate, and has an outstanding trigger. The sights are superb and the grip angle is the same as a 1911. Yes, it is extremely easy to disassemble and clean. You can even buy extra barrels for them (you could have one with a scope/red dot and one with iron sights) and use them interchangably.

If there is one complaint about them in general, it is that some are ammo sensitive. I believe the factory tunes them for CCI standard velocity. I have great luck with that ammo, as well as CCI and Super-X high velocity stuff.
 

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Very nice guns, I have 2 - one with a dot and one for irons.
CCI std velocity only, absolutely not meant for hi-velocity stuff, just ask S&W about it.

Easy to field strip - not so much fun on a detail strip...however, you don't really need to get in there barring something breaking - very unusual.

If you shop you should find a nice used 5.5 inch barrel for $650 - 750 ... they are usually preferred for target use...the 7.5 barrel is kind of front heavy. Some models of the short barrel also come with a factory rib installed so you can add a scope or dot w/o removing the iron sights.

Expensive for a 22 plinker but worth it for a serious target gun.
/Bryan
 

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If I take the leap, it will be to get more local indoor range time from ammo savings, and some plinking when I hit the boonies with my pals. I suppose the size and weight dont relate to hiking or backpacking very well, but thats not too big of an issue compared to range performance and comfort.
 

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Awesome target guns. I consider the model 41, older High Standards, and the Browning Medalist to be the best there is. Pricey. But the best. I have had the good fortune to shoot them all. They can be hard to find.
 

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Yes the S&W 41 is a very good target pistol.
They usually run well with CCI standard velocity ammo.
But if you are a 1911 fan, maybe you would want to consider a .22 conversion for your 1911 instead.
The Marvel conversions (Unit I) are very accurate, and you can shoot .45 ACP and .22 with the same grip and trigger.
I shoot bullseye with a 1911.
http://www.marvelprecision.com/beauty.htm
I used to use a S&W 41 for the .22 division.
Now I put a Marvel conversion on my 1911 instead.
The 1911 with the Marvel conversion is a little lighter than the S&W 41, which can help in bullseye where you shoot with one hand, and most of us have the added weight of a red dot scope on the gun.
Just another option.
 

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I have had the 7 1/2" model for close to 30 years. I like the feel of it. It has a thumb rest on it and a muzzle break. I have also found that it can be a little fussy on type of ammo that I shoot in it, but it is an excellent gun to shoot.
 

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I've had one- a 7-1/2" barreled gun- for 12 or 13 years.

I'm a High Standard nut, but admit that the 41 will probably do about anything a High Standard will.

I always wanted a short barreled 41, but the 7.5" was what I found at the time for a deal. I was shooting .22 silhouette at the time, and after shooting it, I felt it's "hang" was just right for shooting the Standing class. I used mine mostly for that.

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S&W made some 41s in the mid-90's (maybe later) with a Millet rear sight. At one time, those were bringing less money than others, so you might want to look into that and pay accordingly if that's still the case.

Something else that some don't know, FWIW- The 41 used to use a 12-rd magazine. They went to 10-rd mags due to the ban, of course. Just something you might want to know if you are in a 10-rd state.
 

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Accuracy, trigger pull, build quality--all superb. They are worth every penny.

For field use, look for a 5.5" field barrel, which is lighter than the 5.5" heavy barrel--it has the slimmer contours of the 7.5" barrel. Wolff makes recoil springs in 6, 6.5, 7, 7.5 (factory) and 8 lb ratings so you can tune the gun for any 22 ammo you and it likes. Mine actually liked CCI Stingers, so the 8 lb spring is just perfect.

You might also look into the Herrett grips for field use. They are fully checkered, don't have a thumb-rest and are much slimmer than the factory grips. The downside is they expose the mag release button (which is recessed in the factory grips), so if you aren't careful about which holster you are using you can dump the mag inadvertently (ask me how I know). One of my shooting buddies with a 41 got an extra set of beat-up factory grips at a gun show for $15 and trimmed them himself.
 

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I don't think you will ever see fine production American craftsmanship in rimfires again than can be found in the Smith 41, Connecticut made High Standards with the best triggers in the world and the stunningly beautiful Browning Medalists.
 

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Highly recommend

I had a model 41 for 20 years and it was a great gun. It was stolen and I replaced it with this Browning Medalist, which is just as good.

 

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I've had one since the mid-70's and, IMO, it's the finest target .22 pistol ever made. I have a Sig Trailside (6") that is super accurate, but just not up to the S&W 41 overall -- but close...

How's that for an unbiased opinion, Agent Clark? :)
 

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Have the Model 41s taken a huge price jump everyplace in the last couple of years, or is this a local phenomenon? (I suspect the former.)
 

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Have the Model 41s taken a huge price jump everyplace in the last couple of years, or is this a local phenomenon?
S&W has raised the MSRP to over $1200. When I bought my first one, which was less than ten years ago, the MSRP was around $800.

I also think that the increase in ammo costs makes buying a more expensive .22 pistol more palatable than it once was. To shoot 100 rounds of .45 ACP per week, I am spending close to $25 in ammo costs. I can buy 500 rounds of .22 LR for less than $25. That is over five times the rounds for the same cost. With that kind of price difference, spending $800 on a .22 is not so bad.
 

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As already mentioned, it is a great gun. Also mentioned was the versatility - very useful to be able to pull down the trigger guard and swap out the barrel for different length, weight or sights.

Much more important for the casual shooter is the fact that the gun is not terribly specialised with match grips, steep grip angle or any other UIT/Bullseye specific features. It has a regular grip angle with regular grips and can be shot with the 2-hand hold conventionally.

The points made about the Marvel conversion are also valid but in my case I ended up buying a separate frame for the Marvel uppers because I was using them so much. If you do that they don't save you any money over an M41.

I don't think you could lose money on an M41, that quality of gun-making has been lost to time and soon they probably won't be able to make them any more; like the SIG210

Marvels (Unit 1 and Unit 2 Commander)


S&W41 with 5" and shortened/threaded barrels.
 

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Please pardon the topic change, but which High Standard had the best trigger? Which years? Thanks and sorry.
 

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Monkey-man,

I like the idea of suppressing a M41. Who did the threading of the suppressed M41 barrel? Was the base barrel a 7" with the sight set back? Or was it a 5.5" field barrel?
 

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Monkey-man,

I like the idea of suppressing a M41. Who did the threading of the suppressed M41 barrel? Was the base barrel a 7" with the sight set back? Or was it a 5.5" field barrel?
I did the threading, easy to do in a 4-jaw with collimater in the bore to guarantee concentricity.

Old guns (cocked indicator) have their front sights soldered into a woodruff-key slot, new barrels have the sight milled as part of the barrel - you want an old match barrel (like the spare barrel in the pic). Heat the sight and knock it out. Turn, shorten and thread the barrel. Re-cut the key slot and re-install sight (I used epoxy instead of solder). Old barrels are not drilled and tapped for scope base, I fitted a 10/22 base to mine for versatility. Job done.
 
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