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Does anybody have an idea what the value of a 100% series 70 Gold Cup National Match all original would be? Any help would be much appreciated.

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Thank You. I would love to add one to the safe someday. Too many guns, too little money.

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Sousana,

Was that the show in Richmomnd or NOVA?

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I think he'll have it for a long time...
 

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You can buy them in Canada at gun shows in the $750 to $850 (Canadian dollars!) Still even at that price (what's that about $400 - $600 US??) I know the feeling... too many guns, too little money!!
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GunNut the biggest disappointment to your safe would be a Goldcup. Its a gun which is meant to shoot. Get a shooter in Goldcup always. Unless its a genuine National Match 1933 to 1941 it belongs on a shooting range. I say this because I have a shooter 68 which does'nt like not being included always. And I had a 99 Trophy which was a beautiful safe queen. But I sold the queen and have wondered nothing more. Then what it would have fired like. Which the buyer pondered too. Whether to open it up to the range. Or to make it his queen. If I had it back I would take it out in a heartbeat. Because as many have mentioned what are you saving by not shooting it. P.S. I talked to a military collector the other day. Who has a Singer and has'nt shot it. But has a friend who has one and shot it with a replacement barrel. He said he has'nt shot it because parts replacement is about impossible. You don't have that with even the oldest National Match. So get the shooter!
 

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Originally posted by NAA:
You can buy them in Canada at gun shows in the $750 to $850 (Canadian dollars!) Still even at that price (what's that about $400 - $600 US??) I know the feeling... too many guns, too little money!!
NAA.

First, let me say that I am not saying that you aren't telling the truth and I haven't been to Canada enough to argue.

That said, I find it hard to believe that you can get a quality gun of any sort in Canada THAT CHEAP, considering the regulation and apparent lack of supply. Is it easier to own and obtain a weapon than I assume?
 

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Nut, I purchased A Colt GCNM exactly as you describe 6 months ago $700. Pistol was/is NIB and as of today has never even been disassembled. Good shooting.
 

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Thanks for all the feedback! I would definately make it a shooter. By "adding it to the safe" I just meant adding it to the pool of shooters that are all kept in the safe.

Some guys really like the Series 70 alot. Are they really that much better? The new Colts look really good lately. I don't have a 70 and I'm really interested. Although I'm pretty much interested in all guns - mostly handguns.

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James P - yeah, seeing those prices, and being in the USA, no question one would have doubts about the truth of it.

First - 'quality' firearms, including Colt 1911's (and Series 70 G.C.N.M.'s) aren't all that scarce here in Canada. True, you don't see them in the numbers that I'm sure you're used to. But our nation is huge in area, but only has about 30 million people. I had a 1911 collection of 21 pieces, that included a US Army National Match; 2 Series '70 Gold Cups and 1 Series '80 Gold Cup, among others.

Second, licencing is not that difficult here either. But again probably a lot more of a hassle than you are used to in the USA. All of our firearms law in Canada is Federal Law. Right now to acquire firearms you need a Federal "Possession & Acquisition Licence" (PAL) PAL's have different categories, if you want one that includes the ability to own handguns then you get a "restricted" endorsement on it. All handguns are at least considered "restricted" firearms in Canada (some others are "prohibited/grandfathered" and if you qualify for it, you can also get that endorsement on your PAL. Follow me here? Longarms (rifles & shotguns) are considered "non-restricted" firearms, for example. If you have a PAL and acquire a handgun, legally, in the category that your PAL allows, then you make application to "register" it. That takes about a day. Once you apply the officals give you a "reference" number and "temporary authorization number" (TAN). Once you have your TAN you apply for a short term ATT (authorization to transport) which allows you to pick-up the handgun and take it home. You have to be a member in good standing at an "approved" gun club to be able to go to and from a range with your handgun. You apply for another licence - a long term ATT (usually good for 1 year or more) and that allows you to transport to and from the range. Yes, the system is very complicated!! (The restrictions on long arms are not as onerous as with handguns).

The reason that firearms are very reasonable in Canada right now is that in the latest incarnation of our Federal Firearms law (Bill C-68) really tightened up things even more. For example, I was at a local gun show recently, happened on a table where a guy was plunking down $550 Canadian for a pre-Series '70 Colt National Match, in about 95% condition (with original box)and it included a same period Colt .22 Conversion Unit (also with the original box). Made me sorry I had stopped off to pick-up a cup of coffee at a gas station enroute to the show! The owner, an older gentleman, was just fed up with the new laws, and was parring down his handgun collection. He felt that $550 Canadian was reasonable for the package deal. At another show, I saw a Colt National Match in .38 Special wadcutter caliber - somewhat rare I believe - and the seller wanted $850.

Yeah, there are lots of bargains up here right now. I just took possession of a Colt Government Model commercial (Serial #C 17,XXX) mfg in 1915 showing about 95% condition. I paid $450 Canadian for it.

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Can I visit Canada and purchase handguns as a U.S. Citizen? If that's possible it could mean lots of trouble to the pocket.

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GunNut - as a US citizen, if you came up here to purchase, you'd have to have a Canadian PAL (Possession & Acquisition Licence). It is a Federal licence that allows one here to legally acquire firearms. For a Canadian, who already legally owns a firearm, who wants to 'export' it to the US - they have to get an export permit from the Federal Government. At the same time, the US buyer would have to get an 'import' authorization from your authorities (BATF?). The firearm then, under permit, gets shipped to a US FFL holder and then on to the US buyer. I have never done this transaction, only heard about it. I understand that the fees involved wouldn't make it worthwhile.

What I left out of my earlier post, in Canada, once you receive your TAN (tempoarary authorization number) after applying to register a handgun (all legally owned handguns have been "registered" in Canada since around 1935)and get a short term ATT (authorization to transport) to pick it up and take it home - a few weeks later you receive a plastic card in the mail (looks like a credit card or ATM card)that is your "registration certificate" for that handgun. It has to accompany that handgun everywhere you transport it, while you own it. NAA.

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NAA, Thanks for the info. Looks like a real nightmare. Not just for import/export but for yourselves in Canada as well.

BTW, I was in Vancouver last weekend. We had a hard time getting home but that is one neat City.

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GunNut - Yeah, although it sounds like a bit of a nightmare here in Canada to acquire firearms, once you have your PAL (Possession & Acquisition Licence) it's relatively easy. There is a national 1-800 number to activate the registration process. With your PAL you have a PIN (personal identification number - just like your ATM card!) You do it all over the phone and then they fax you the ATT (transport permit)and you are in business. If you purchase at a gunshop, where I live, they do the whole transaction for you and the ATT gets faxed to them. You just go and pick it up. At some of the bigger gun shows usually the AFO (Area Firearms Officer) will have a table. His laptop will be connected into the national system. He can register the handgun for you and issue you your ATT while you wait. Seen it done in as little as 1 hour.

If you were in Vancouver, B.C. you weren't far from where I live. Hey, while I'm thinking about it - there is a dealer in Vancouver who is selling Norinco 1911's right now for $350 Canadian each. You have a choice between .45ACP or 9mm and two frame sizes - regular and compact (haven't seen one but I presume it is like a Commander). Most of the new Norincos I have seen here are finished just like the 1911A-1's from WWII - kind of a green/gray parkerizing. Other than that they seem to be quite well made and servicible. I have been toying with getting one of the 'compacts' in .45ACP, as real Colt Commanders are not often encountered here (usually because no one wants to sell them once they have one!!) I dunno if these Norincos are a good price or not - what do Norincos go for in the States?

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