Originally posted by HOUNDDOG:
Just a comment on what Col. Colt said about "what SA And Kimber are doing" ...I think (on Kimbers) you will only find this modification on the Eclipse II guns. The rest if the Kimber line ...no. Makes for a better case in court for those people who may actually have to shoot someone with thier gun. That's all. --HD
Uhhh... Beg to differ...
ALL Kimber's being produced in ALL model lines are Series 2, which makes them legal for sale in CA.
Kimber, in an effort to cut manufacturing costs, will stop (or have stopped) producing the earlier (Series 1) type models.
Look at the Website, they are all Custom II, CDP II, or Gold Match II, etc, not just the Eclipse line.
Everyone has their opinion's, and Col Colt, bless his heart is staunchly biased towards Colt's. Nothing wrong with that, but much like the 1911 vs. Glock debates, the "Colt is Best, everything else sucks" debate get's tiring.
To Kimber's credit, they did something to permit the guns to be sold in CA. Nothing wrong with the Swartz design, it works, it get's the job done for what they needed, to be able to support the large customer base, and market in California. What's Colt's problem? They think "One Gun fits all" or maybe, we don't deserve to access to the entire line. Face it, practically EVERYTHING coming out of Hartford has the S80 lockwork, it should pass the testing here, why hasn't it been approved? Maybe because they have submitted them... I can understand... $3000/model line, hey, the "investment" would have to be recovered... BS!
Colt has submitted a grand total of 6 1911 models/variants.
07000D Stainless Steel, LWT Defender
04012XS Stainless (brushed) Commander
01091 Stainless (matte) 1991A1
01991 Blue (matte) 1991A1
02070E Stainless Govt MkIV
02570E Blued Govt MkIV... THAT'S IT!
Now, TRY to find one in the state... They're out there, I saw a couple today, but they aren't everywhere, and everyone wants an arm and a leg!
Kimber, & Springfield... Well, they have both submitted, and gotten 60 models (variants) approved, 30 for each, and Para has even more than that!
Does that make Colt better than a Kimber, or Springfield... No.
Does Colt give a Rat's Ass about selling their product, at least in California... Nope... Not hardly! It's like Colt's attitude is "We're the best, we don't need your business"
Col Colt... You can parrot the Mantra of "If it's not a Colt" all day long... I really don't care... It's the reason why Colt THINKS they are all that, and that they don't HAVE TO RESPOND TO IT'S CUSTOMERS REQUESTS!
The reality of life here is... If Colt would wake up, and consider the business they could have, and the Customer's they have left in the Cold, we all might benefit!
I would gladly have the options of many fine variants by Kimber, Springfield than accept the narrowed choices Colt has provided.
Sorry for the Rant... Enjoy