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Shok-Buffs 1st Malfunction Gold Cup ?

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While finishing my string yesterday I had my First Malfunction with my Gold Cup National Match, The Wilson Shok-Buff got smashed out till it bound the pistol up & I had to strip it to get the slide to rack, The Blue Buffer had just slightly been smashed out but was enough to lock the Gun up Tight..
I removed the buffer & had it back in the game in a few minutes..
I am now cleaning the pistol up & thought about putting another in it..
BTW I had around a 1000 230gr Hard Ball on that Buffer..
Should I leave the Buffers out or continue to use them & change them out every thousand or so rounds?
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Shok-Buffs 1st Malfunction Gold Cup

Leave them out they cause more problems than they are worth. Had they been meant to be there they would have been in brownings design.
I personally used to swear by them. Then I came to the conclusion that if you keep up with the recoil spring changes at the proper intervals, that's all you need.
I wouldn't trust them on a carry gun, but if you want to use them you need to check them more often. I would clean the gun every 100 rounds and if the buffer looked chewed up, then change it.
1000 rounds is probably max that a buffer could go. On some brands I have seen them cooked in as little as 100 rounds.
why stuff gun with chewing gum?

Take them out, never to return.

IMO the very-biggest rip-off of all 1911 modifications.
The only buffs you should be using is CP Buffs, the most durable on the market. The Wilson blue buffs are not very durable as you can see.
I think I read that Wilson expects them to be toast and offered to the cylindrical file after 1000 rounds.

Thanks for the link on the CP offerings but I see they recommend the same replacement interval.

I also remember reading on wilsons' 'site that the reason theirs is soft is to absorb the punishment whereas the longer wearing harder ones may not absorb as much. I think there is a reason these little fellas cost about a dollar and if you want to run them go ahead. I'll be keeping one in my Razorback and need to get some more.
Yes same interval, you must stay on top of your maintenance. They are suppose to be superior in the durability field, Larry Vickers recommends the CP Buffs over others, he has used them all and has the experience to back it up. When he was an Operator with a little group called Delta Force, he would see a million rounds of 45acp go through his teams guns. He trained the team on the use of 1911's and was building them, use his experience, he knows what works under extreme use. Check out this link in the training talk and events section, buffs are mentioned, hope this helps you.
(1911 operators course AAR)...http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=174213
Dane Burns also recommends the CP buffs. That is what I use during practice at the range. I always remove them in HD or carry guns.
I use them in just about all my 1911's. Only one w/o is the longslide. Experimenting with diff loads and taking all changes out of the equation for the time being. Tracy
I have used the Wilson shok-buffs for 15 years and have never had a failure-- but then I NEVER run them out to 1,000 rds - that's just asking for trouble !!!!

I check the shok-buff after EVERY shooting session - now matter the round count .......... and replace at the first sign of deformation. I change them out after 500 rounds no matter how good they might look. !!! NEVER had a failure with this method.

I have read where some out of spec bullets can cause jams -- should I stop putting bullets in my carry gun ???

Take care of your equipment ....and it will take care of you. Abuse the equipment or run it constantly at its upper limits of endurance and you are playing with fire.

C-P buffs are, IMHO, the best available. They do the job quite well and don't disintergrate. If you want to use a buffer, get 'em!! Anything else is asking for trouble in a high-round count pistol with full power loads.
OR, install an EGW firing pin stop and tune the pistol with the right recoil and mainsprings. Same result..no frame battering.

I went ahead & Put a new Wilsons Shok-Buff in my Gold Cup..
I have the #16 Recoil spring in it now & wondered if I should try the #18.5 without the buffer??For Hard Ball??
I saw that EGW Firing Pin Stop with the squared edge, It says it keeps the slide closed longer??
I have the Factory Hammer Spring & Have thought about aquireing a #19 & maybe removing the Wolff Extra Power Firing Pin Spring..

Looks Like I'll have to keep an Eye on the Buffer, I mean it had less than 1000 rounds on it..
I have a Red Buff in my Beretta That Has over 10,000 rounds on it??
It's never malfunctioned ever, Saying That My Gold Cup National Match is alot more accurate than the Beretta, Probobly because of the smoother lighter trigger pull & The Adjustable Sights..
Why add parts to an already complex machine?

The handgun does not need a recoil buffer to function, that's what springs are for. In my carry guns I run 23lb mainsprings with 18.5lb variable recoil springs. Sure, the slide racks harder, but I don't have buffers to fall apart in my piece and I don't have frame battering, either. Most handguns are more complex than most of us end-users realize and when we go tinkering with them without consulting someone who knows more than we do (I'm including myself here, too), we cause more problems than we solve.
I've had some 5" 1911s that shot fine with shock buffers 90% of the time. However, during weak hand fire or limpwristing, the pistol would FTF constantly. Pulling out the buffer fixed the problem.

I have them in a few guns currently (mostly game guns) but I won't put them in a gun that I might have to defend myself with.
Didn't GOld Cups ship with a pair of recoil springs, like a 16lb and a 10 lb spring? If hardball is destroying a SHok-Buff in under 1000 rds, I'd suspect the pistol is equipped with a fairly light recoil spring....
fred1911 said:
Leave them out they cause more problems than they are worth. Had they been meant to be there they would have been in brownings design.
Haha. I agree about the Shok Buffs; however, I suppose if those grip safeties had really been meant to be there, they'd have been in Browning's original design. :)
Army Ordnance wanted a grip safety, Browning re-designed the pistol to work with one. He never made a design change to allow for all the doodadds we put on his masterpiece now.
Army Ordnance wanted a grip safety, Browning re-designed the pistol to work with one. He never made a design change to allow for all the doodadds we put on his masterpiece now.
We can argue all day over JMB and his design. I would love to be able to play with his own personal example of his finalized 1911.

I wonder what he would do, if he had access to the alloys, and polymers we have today? The man was a great innovator. I can in no way divine his methods and end intentions.

He was not opposed to tweaking his designs for the end users. His original concept was not very similar to the our concept of the 1911. He had a thing for striker fired pistols and safeties seem to be an afterthought in his developments.

Seriously, though, it seems to me, that if one follows Wolff Springs' guidelines regarding selecting recoil spring strength (based on case ejection distance), then frame battering would be appropriately mitigated without any kind of synthethic buffer.
IMHO, reading his biography, being the genius gun designer and business man, he would have redesigned/tweaked the 1911 many times according to the "civilian" market "needs" and current manufacturing techniques...no question.

He would have been working on a "new" pistol to meet the armed forces "needs" well before the mid-1980's to accommodate their needs.

Along with 50 other gun designs with whatever materials. :)
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