Shok-buffs causing jams

Ask the gunsmith what he's smoking. I've never heard of a Colt chewing up shok-buffs. By the way not everybody here likes recoil buffers, but I have never had a problem with them in Gov't length pistols.

I use them in all my guns and have yet to replace one because it was damaged. Put one in and insert an empty mag. cycle the slide by hand and see if it locks back, if it does ...no problem.

Gotta agree with others. Used shock buffs and never had a problem. But you should always inspect when you clean your gun. If its looking chewed, toss it and put in a new one. Thats why they come in 6 packs. I usually replace arounf 1500 rounds.
Cheers
Ty

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Word of caution though...

Shok-Buffs do not work in commander size pistols. Actually let me re-phrase that Shok-buffs do what they were designed to do, but they also (most of the time) can cause the gun to "short-cycle" (I think thats what it's called) meaning it doesn't always properly eject the case or pick up the next round. YMMV

Originally posted by ahenry:
Word of caution though...

Shok-Buffs do not work in commander size pistols.

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Careful with this generalization ahenry. I own 3 commander length 1911's and all run PERFECTLY with shok buffs. The key is to use an extra power recoil spring, and check for function.

BOTTOM LINE - If your guns run reliably with buffs (no matter what length of barrel), use them. If your gun has problems with FTF/FTE, then don't use them. Each gun is different.



[This message has been edited by shane45-1911 (edited 07-05-2001).]

Had a buddy bring me his government Colt one day, it was locked up tighter than a drum, with the slide part way back...Had to drive the slide off the frame with a rubber hammer...He had a shock buf in the gun, but he put his recoil spring in backwards..open end of the spring cut the shock buf apart..big time trouble. Make sure the closed end of the recoil spring goes on first !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS Don't use a shock buff. Its bs designed by Wilson I guess. The recoil spring is enough shock buff. If you shoot a gun it will live to its designed potential with or without the shock buff. Don't buy into everything sold as an added addition to this gun. It is a pure sole just as Browning designed it. And it outlasts any he ever saw. As the material usage and wormanship(computer enhanced). Are beyond his knowledge and experience. If you wear one out good for you. Why trouble yourself with the extra expenditure and trouble. When the time comes and you've worn one out. Your a hero in anyones book. Because if you have the time and money to feed one. To the point of failure, you don't have time to read my post.

Actually, I think it was Swenson that came up with the Shock-buff idea, and Bill Wilson just ran with it. Swenson was cutting them out of sheets of plastic, and Wilson came up with a way to injection mold them. One of the few 1911-related widgets that I use.

Ah, the John Browning purist perspective rears its head again! Browning did not foresee a lot of things and few people actually have and shoot a true John Browning original 1911. Just because Browning did or did not put something on a gun does not determine if that something is a good or bad idea. As for the shok buff jamming after 50 rounds, some of the old shock buffers were poorly suited for the cause and they did fall apart fairly easily. Things have changed since then.

Originally posted by Double Naught Spy:
Ah, the John Browning purist perspective rears its head again! Browning did not foresee a lot of things and few people actually have and shoot a true John Browning original 1911. Just because Browning did or did not put something on a gun does not determine if that something is a good or bad idea. As for the shok buff jamming after 50 rounds, some of the old shock buffers were poorly suited for the cause and they did fall apart fairly easily. Things have changed since then.

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Right.



[This message has been edited by shane45-1911 (edited 07-05-2001).]

Shane45, Thanks for clarifying my post. I was trying to keep it short due to some work piling up on my desk (thank goodness I don't have that problem very often *grin*). You are absolutely correct about adding a harder spring to correct the problem. I was refering more to factory strength springs. With regular springs usually commander length pistols can encounter some difficulties. Again, YMMV

Thanks for all the replys. What the gunsmith told me was the inside of the frame or slide is very sharp and cuts up the shok-buffs. He said he has seen this only on Colt 1991 a1's not on 1911a1's.

Hi SPC,
Put over a thousand rounds in my 1991A1 and it has a buff, no problems for me.
Cheers
Ty

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