Shotguns what to get?
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I like the Mossberg 500/590, because it already has the mag extension, sling swivels and ghost ring sights. It also has an ambidextrous thumb safety, perhaps the greatest advantage it has over other pump guns. Some people don't like the skeletonized elevator, because it can allow foreign junk into the gun, but if you do get a jam of some kind, it can often be cleared without having to take the gun apart as can be the case with solid-elevator guns. I think a 20" 590 or 18" 500, as described above, can still be had for about $400.
Pump= Vang Comp 590A1, awesome
Semi-auto= Rem 1187 also by Vang
On a tighter budget? Go with any 18" name pump, screw on a two shot add on mag tube and maybe a side saddle and practice, practice, practice: Use 00 buck....
suggestions: Stock M590, 870 or 1300
Good shooting,
Dean
Semi-auto= Rem 1187 also by Vang
On a tighter budget? Go with any 18" name pump, screw on a two shot add on mag tube and maybe a side saddle and practice, practice, practice: Use 00 buck....
suggestions: Stock M590, 870 or 1300
Good shooting,
Dean
I am partial to the 870 series. My choice would be a Wilson SGT Standard model and have Vang Comp do the barrel package on it.
Total cost around 1K.
Other option Mossberg 590, again have VCS do the barrel.
www.vangcomp.com
Total cost around 1K.
Other option Mossberg 590, again have VCS do the barrel.
www.vangcomp.com
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well if you want something Different and kind of FUN
try a Russian Saiga Shotgun in 12, 20, or 410
they are semi auto MAG Fed shotguns, built on the AK reciever, these are real Russian AK recievers modified into shotguns. the only one you can get as a civilan in the US is the sporting shotgun with monte carlo stock and 22" barrel, heres the pic http://club.guns.ru/eng/sig12/3.htm
they also have a combat saiga 12 for the russian special forces "spetznats" http://club.guns.ru/eng/saiga12.htm
bad part is the mags are expensive, plastic and hard to find, but durable. also the barrels are Fixed, not removable like a remington 870, so if you cut the barrel down to 18" it stays that way forever.
another GREAT thing about them is that they have a side mounting plate -- so you can buy Quick Detachable russian scopes and Red dot sights
cost is $300-$500 depending on caliber/gauge
i like my 12ga, and bump fired my brothers 410 saiga -- the WORST part of these guns is that they are now classified as Kalif AW's
try a Russian Saiga Shotgun in 12, 20, or 410
they are semi auto MAG Fed shotguns, built on the AK reciever, these are real Russian AK recievers modified into shotguns. the only one you can get as a civilan in the US is the sporting shotgun with monte carlo stock and 22" barrel, heres the pic http://club.guns.ru/eng/sig12/3.htm
they also have a combat saiga 12 for the russian special forces "spetznats" http://club.guns.ru/eng/saiga12.htm
bad part is the mags are expensive, plastic and hard to find, but durable. also the barrels are Fixed, not removable like a remington 870, so if you cut the barrel down to 18" it stays that way forever.
another GREAT thing about them is that they have a side mounting plate -- so you can buy Quick Detachable russian scopes and Red dot sights
cost is $300-$500 depending on caliber/gauge
i like my 12ga, and bump fired my brothers 410 saiga -- the WORST part of these guns is that they are now classified as Kalif AW's
Well, here is one vote for a Benelli. The tactical with non-pistol grip can legally hold seven rounds and you get choke options. Reliable and super fast cycle time. You can also get from Benelli the picitinny rail used on the Practical to mount optics. You can also buy a Field barrel and shoot skeet, trap and clays.
The Benelli is a great gun.
The Benelli is a great gun.
Even though I have a Benelli and like it very much, I think the absolute best tactical shotgun would be the Remington 870 with the Vang Comp package. Add ghost ring tritium night sights and a Surefire tactical light and you're ready to go. IMO, you have two practical choices: the Benelli or the one above, not the Mossberg!
I would check the ghost ring sights on someone else's shotgun before making the choice. They seem to more accurate but much slower than a bead or rifle type sights. They are the rage right now but they (for me) are much slower. This would probably only matter in 3 gun matches.
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Another vote for a Rem 870 with a Vang Comp barrel. You won't be disappointed.
I am "rolling my own", starting with a Rem 870 Police. Already have the 18" Vang Comped barrel, SureFire 618F, mag tube extension, sling, and 6rd side saddle. The only thing I have left to do is the Ghost Ring sights, which IMO are only necessary if you want to shoot slugs at ridiculous distances (100 yds). Which I guess I want to do!
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I personally don't like the safety position on the Mossberg, and they just don't feel as good in my hands. So if you are still looking at that as an option, at least feel a couple first. I am NOT bashing anyone else's choice, just stating my preference.
I am "rolling my own", starting with a Rem 870 Police. Already have the 18" Vang Comped barrel, SureFire 618F, mag tube extension, sling, and 6rd side saddle. The only thing I have left to do is the Ghost Ring sights, which IMO are only necessary if you want to shoot slugs at ridiculous distances (100 yds). Which I guess I want to do!
I personally don't like the safety position on the Mossberg, and they just don't feel as good in my hands. So if you are still looking at that as an option, at least feel a couple first. I am NOT bashing anyone else's choice, just stating my preference.
The Remington 870 is what most Police Departments use and for a good reason. They have a steel reciever, where as the less expensive Winchesters and Mosbergs, use the less durable aluminum alloy. I have all three brands in my Police Department, but the only reason we bought the Winchesters and Mosbergs was due to price. If my budget could have stood the strain I would have bought 870s. For example the last batch Winchester 1200s that I bought were $199.00 each. The way that it works out, I could buy 2 Winchesters, for the price of one Remington 870...
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The M3 is bulkier & heavier than the semi-auto M1. Benelli material states the reason for the pump is to cycle special police ammo. Such as door breechers and bean bags that my not cycle reliably in semi mode.
I would say the added complexity for the M3 is not worth it; especially if you plan to use this as a defense gun. KISS rules.
With regards to the 870 and mods, yes it is a good gun, but if you plan to also use it sport shooting (casual skeet or clays) a pump gun can be a detriment. Lotsa practice necessary to be fast enough to take doubles.
I would say the added complexity for the M3 is not worth it; especially if you plan to use this as a defense gun. KISS rules.
With regards to the 870 and mods, yes it is a good gun, but if you plan to also use it sport shooting (casual skeet or clays) a pump gun can be a detriment. Lotsa practice necessary to be fast enough to take doubles.
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