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So if the gun owners' main organization is so vile, so completely devoid of worth, surely the individual gun owners themselves must have some redeeming characteristics, no? After all, there must be some good news, right?

I'm afraid not:

Gun owners are dangerously religious. I want you to think about this for a minute. Let's say you get into an argument with a gun owner in line at the supermarket. What's to stop him from pulling out a concealed handgun, blowing your head off, getting your home address from your driver's license, going there and murdering your wife and young children, and then taking his own life? Remember, these people believe that all they have to do is "make their peace with the lord and call him savior" and they will be immediately delivered to eternal bliss.
It seems to me that decent Americans with families have much to fear from this mentality. These people believe there is nothing they can do that will prevent them from an eternity of pleasure with a lord. That includes the cold-blooded murder of young children.


Alcoholism among gun owners occurs at disproportionately high rates. This should be a source of concern to people who are concerned about the safety of their children. The gun crazies like to say that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." This apparently represents the crowning achievement in philosophy for the gun crazies, and even I will admit that there is a shred of truth to it. I would point out, however, that it's a lot easier for people to kill people if they've been out behind the woodshed guzzling "Grandpa's cough syrup" all day.
When I take my children to see a movie, the last thing I need to see is a disheveled malcontent, staggering down the street, bib overalls reeking of moonshine and cigarette smoke, barely able to stand up. When that malcontent is armed with an implement of death, what was previously a public nuisance has suddenly become a serious public threat. There is no reason that a decent society should tolerate this sort of behavior, and that fact that we do is a sad commentary on our nation.


The link between gun owners and far-right militias is both undeniable and scary. These self-described "freedom fighters" are on the public record as saying that they will kill as many innocent women and children as is necessary to "reclaim their God-given rights." Apparently, these groups are fighting for their God-given right to kill women and children, since it is not obvious what other "rights" these lunatics are being denied. These militia groups are overwhelmingly racist and have expressed desires to "cleanse" the country (and indeed, the entire planet) of all persons who are not White, Anglo-Saxon, and Protestant.
This is the face of the American gun nut.


Don't fall into the trap.
These people are hiding behind a smokescreen of false patriotism and "strict constructionist" interpretations of the United States Constitution. But the truth about the average American gun owner is that he is a slobbering fundamentalist alcoholic who would rather shoot you dead than shake your hand. These are people that would rather commit acts of terrorism against their homeland than work within the legal confines of the system to get their message out. These are people who have stockpiles of .50 caliber rifles ready to aim at the heads of our own armed services. They are a violent and traitorous bunch; they spit on the graves of true American patriots, and we cannot afford to be complacent and ignore them.

If ever there was a time in our history to enact true sensible gun control, it is right now. This is still a battle we can win, but if we pretend that this threat doesn't exist, this country will go to hell in a handbasket. One day we'll wake up in a world that resembles Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome and we'll wonder what happened. And you know what I'll say? "Far be it from me to say 'I told you so.'"

The fact of the matter is that the United States Constitution is not written in stone, and those who claim that it is are conveniently forgetting the fact that the Founding Fathers, in their wisdom, gave us a process by which it can be amended. Furthermore, because the amendment process is so convoluted and drawn out, all that we really need is a majority opinion from the United States Supreme Court. The Second Amendment, much like the GPL, has never had its validity fully-tested in the judicial system. When that day comes, I am confident that it and the imagined "rights" that it affords will be exposed as the murderous shams that they are.

At some point, the forces of morality and reason in this country will have the critical mass that is necessary to abolish the Second Amendment. The only question is .. how many more school massacres and Charlton Heston speeches ("from my cold, dead hands") will it take before people finally see the light? The gun crazies will fight us tooth and nail, but we will fight back, and we will win.

http://www.adequacy.org/public/stories/2001.7.23.174429.116.html
 

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the rhetoric of the final paragraph is even more horrifying when you realize how easily it was applied to the 1st Amendment with Campaign Finance "Reform"

a simple bill disguised under a unassuming name could easily be passed by Congress and signed into law by the President, even tho it is blatantly unconstitutional.. we've now seen that the SCOTUS no longer considers the constitutionality of a law when deciding its 'merits'

our 2nd Amendment could be limited or even eliminated just as easily, with even less opposition.. you would have thought every intelligent person in the United States would have been screaming about the 1st Amendment being cauterized, but it hasn't happened.. do you think even a tenth of those people would support our 2nd Amendment right?

as Benjamin Franklin once said.. "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."
 

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Unbelievable. That shows you what we are up against though. Sometimes reasoning and logic work. Against that sort of illogical, emotional, falsehood there is no amount of reasoning that will work. That's why we need to stand up and stand together to fight for and keep our rights.

P.S. You should vomit! :barf:
 

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Complete rubbish, but then again, the Web is the easiest place to publish complete rubbish. I take this sort of extremist lunacy with a grain of salt, and I believe that most other people do too. It isn't worth the energy expended to either laugh or vomit.
 

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Complete rubbish, but then again, the Web is the easiest place to publish complete rubbish. I take this sort of extremist lunacy with a grain of salt, and I believe that most other people do too. It isn't worth the energy expended to either laugh or vomit.
That's kind of what I was thinking...any NUT can get a website.
 

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Wow, they really had it in for Christian gun owners. Wonder how they'd feel about Pagan gun owners...
 

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Actually go to the website and read some of the responses, just wait until you read what one idiot had to say about WWII. It's not even worth replying to those ignorant morons. (it's hard not to though)
 

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If you look at the home page of that web site it says:

"This is an archive site only. It is no longer maintained. You can not post comments. You can not make an account. Your email will not be read. Please read this page if you have questions."

It's crap. :barf:

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Well I guess it's a good thing I didn't waste time with response eh?:)
Maybe they got so many angry e-mails they had to shut it down. We can hope...
 

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The fact of the matter is that the United States Constitution is not written in stone, and those who claim that it is are conveniently forgetting the fact that the Founding Fathers, in their wisdom, gave us a process by which it can be amended. Furthermore, because the amendment process is so convoluted and drawn out, all that we really need is a majority opinion from the United States Supreme Court. The Second Amendment, much like the GPL, has never had its validity fully-tested in the judicial system. When that day comes, I am confident that it and the imagined "rights" that it affords will be exposed as the murderous shams that they are.
This "logic" just reveals the problem with a vulcanized constitution and the reason why the Founding Fathers were strict constructionists themselves. They never intended a majority of judges to be able to reinterpret the plain meaning of the constitution to mean something completely different, nor stretch or constrict the meaning of a right to suit their personal politics. The "living breathing document" argument is BULL**** and everyone should see it, and the judicial activism that goes along with it, for what it is: A total endrun around the constitution and an all out assault on the social contract that is the foundation of any legitimate government in this country.
 

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I love it when people write this biased, ignorant crap and then tell us that gun owners are filled with hatred. If you scroll down, when one person suggests that children should be taught how to be safe around firearms, some screams at him, actually writes "I'm spitting on you," and then asks him why he's so full of hate. Pages like that make me glad I'm on this side.
 

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Wow, they really had it in for Christian gun owners. Wonder how they'd feel about Pagan gun owners...
wow, as a pagan gun owner, who (now) drinks little if at all, who doesn't own a pair of bib overalls, much less "...stockpiles of .50 cal rifles...", my brain wants to do a disconnect, even though i fit none of their stereotypes.

one thing people of that ilk fail to remember, or conveniently forget, is that the BOR is a list of rights we, the people, have by the act of drawing breath, by our very existence. it is a list of things, not even all of them, that is government is instituted to protect, not a list of handouts the government can fudge on if it is politically feasible.

they are the ones that "pick and choose" the rights they support, unlike most pro-freedom (pro-gun, etc) individuals who support the Constitution and the Bill of Rights as a whole. the largest problem i have seen among the pro-gun movement is "single-issue voting". while the 2nd is the right that allows us to keep the others, we need to reach out to other groups that actively pursue the ideals of personal freedom and liberty. the people who are not "gun-nuts" and really don't care about RKBA. that is the only way our agenda can be advanced successfully.

ok, the new guy is done with his rant. this just happens to be something i feel strongly about.

keep your powder dry and your blades sharp,
chris
 

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I just got done with about an hour's review of adequacy.org--I got to the page where the proposed issue was the revocation of the Constitution of the United States, using the specific examples of the first, second, and seventh amendments.

I now understand where this is coming from. I'm not much for the conspiracy theories, but I'll get to that. A while back in England, the Fabian Society wanted to institute a socialist takeover of the British government. Recognizing that openly advocating this goal immediately would be akin to dropping a live frog into boiling water, they took the alternative approach. The frog swam happily in the lukewarm water of their initial ideas, and they gradually turned up the heat. The Brittish frog is just about cooked now.

We're not far behind. There is no conspiracy group aiming at stripping us of our rights and subjugating us uder the thumb of tyranny (unless you take a good look at the U.S. government, but that's a topic for another thread), but there are plenty of seemingly ordinary folks out there who are more than willing to give their own rights away and close the shackles they have purchased like talking elmo dolls around their own wrists, ankles, and necks. The only catch is that they want to force everyone else to buy the hot new trendy shackles, too.

The coolest new excuse in American history is 9/11TM and pasting red, white, and blue designs all over everything. I'm sorry to say that the thousands of lives lost in that particular terrorist attack (and the ones preceeding it, which are virtually ignored because they aren't trendy enough) are now meaningless. They now decorate lunchboxes. We have made a mockery of them.

Here's the hardest thing for me to say: our flag, the stars and stripes, "Old Glory," is meaningless now too. I will not fly her any more. She stands for an ideal which has been squadered. She is a badge of shame. We had the right idea, and we threw it away.

What have we sold our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor for? Security. A soft warm blanket which the State can pull up and tuck over our shoulders while we sleep through our lives.

We had everything good and pure in front of us. Sure, we started with some mistaken ideas and misconceptions. We know now that people with different skin color or reproductive equipment are inalienable, too. We rectified that in the law, in the Constitution, itself. Then we sold it all.

What did we get for so high a price as our liberty? Security? NO! We already had that. We started out knowing that the security of the State was not as important as the security of the individuals in their homes and private lives. From the security of the people in their private lives naturally evolves the security of a FREE STATE. Never the other way around. Ask a victim of genocide. We already had security strapped to our hip and slung over our shoulder--and we knew that we as individuals were responsible for it.

But we shirked that responsibility. Every time a vote came up for another restriction on gun ownership, we shirked our responsibility. The issue was never open to vote in the first place. It is now, though. Welcome to the reality of tyranny of the masses. The next step is the police state. We're almost there.

Every time we went ahead and applied for any sort of license (whether it be marriage license, driver's license, pilot's license, concealed carry license, etc.) we defaulted on our responsibility to protect our rights. Every license we have is an acknowledgement of a right not lost, not taken, but sold with our lives, our fortunes, and our once-sacred honor. It is our fault. We are to blame.

Take a good look at the rest of adequacy.org. Renew your vows by understanding the enemy of liberty. You probably won't like what you see; the enemies of liberty are scared of responsibility, but they want to push the responsibility for their safety onto someone else. They are craven cowards who would rather be safe from all harm than free to live. They are content with existence. They are your next-door neighbor. They are your coworker. They are your son or daughter's teacher, your librarian, your pizza delivery driver. They look just like you and I, but they lie on the ground and ask for a boot on their neck. They will dig their own hole and kneel before it, as long as you kneel with them.

The passengers of Flight 93, the dead in the Pentagon, and the dead in the rubble of the World Trade Center paid the price sooner than we, the still existing, but eventually we must all answer for our sin of selling responsibility.

I am responsible for my sins. I am guilty of letting this happen. I vow from this moment forward, that I will not sell my rights, I will not sell my life, I will not sell my fortune, I WILL NOT SELL MY SACRED HONOR. I will not live on my knees, and I refuse to die on my knees. I will live and die on my feet. I am responsible for my own life--it's more important than my existence.

Don't tread on me.
 

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Wow.

Thank god we live in America where idiots are free to spout their hate filled gibberish as much as they want. Try saying something like "Down with the Monarchy!" on the streets of Riyahd and see what happens. We should encourage these people to keep on talking and exercising their rights, as we're the ones defending them.
 

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These are people who have stockpiles of .50 caliber rifles ready to aim at the heads of our own armed services.
When I take my children to see a movie, the last thing I need to see is a disheveled malcontent, staggering down the street, bib overalls reeking of moonshine and cigarette smoke, barely able to stand up.
Can anyone tell me how to post a response on that web site. This Marine has a few things to express to them!!:mad:
 
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