I was browsing in SW yesterday and happened to notice that there were a couple of Kimbers in the display case with external extractors. I thought those went away. I mentioned it to the counter guy and we got to talking about Kimbers in general. He seemed to be totally surprised with I mentioned the Schwartz safety, and after I explained what it was, how it works, and how the military rejected it 80 years ago, he said, Oh, I didn't know that. Moral of the story... Don't assume the guy behind the counter knows more than you do about everything guns. More than that, don't just buy a sales pitch about the latest and greatest, unless it's something you've researched on your own and know it to be true. If you hang around the shows and listen to some of the pitches the dealers give a potential customer, trying to sell him a gun, you'd really be amused..