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I heard that Springfield is gettin keys lock built in ther guns i dont think this is true i only heard it once but i wanna know if you guys heard anything.
 

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Yep. I just returned from the SHOT show. Springfield had a huge display, and announced a lot of changes on their new pistols. For instance:

A key lock in the mainspring housing that can be retrofitted to other 1911's. Very small and inconspicuous.

A titanium firing pin.

Better dehorning that still preserves the original lines.

Dovetailed front sight.

Tritium Novak sights on the alloy frame pistol pistols.

Loaded chamber indicator (small cut in top of slide - again, very inconspicuous).

New lighter "Delta" hammer.

They are also introducing two "Operator" models that have a full-lenth dust cover with built-in rails for an Insight tactical light. One is built around the Mil-Spec gun, the other on a TRP. The TRP is something to see, having light rails, a bull barrel, ambi-safety, extended mag well, skateboard tape like grips, and adjustable night sights. Suggested MSRP is $1407.

They are also chambering some of the pistols in .40, and one in 9mm.

I can't recall all of the other changes ,and I'm still too tired to unpack the literature I brought home.

It looks like S/A has been listening to the Customer's comments and watching Kimber's sales.

God bless,

Hugh

[This message has been edited by Hugh (edited 01-12-2001).]
 

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Originally posted by Hugh:
Yep. I just returned from the SHOT show. Springfield had a huge display, and announced a lot of changes on their new pistols. For instance:

A key lock in the mainspring housing that can be retrofitted to other 1911's. Very small and inconspicuous.

A titanium firing pin.

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Hugh,

Do you know if these two items are optional or will they be standard fare?

I won't buy a firearm with an integral lock, for several resons, although it sounds as if it would be easily retrofitted in this case. I also am not enamored with titanium firing pins.

Thanks for the report,

Mark
 

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Mark,

According to SA's brochure, "Beginning in February 2001, Springfield will supply our completely unobtrusive patented Integral Locking System (I.L.S.) on every model pistol free of charge." Since it appears to be integral to the mainspring housing, I gather it can be removed by replacing the mainspring housing. Don't quote me on that. The titanium firing pin and heavy duty spring is standard fare. I'm guessing that it is a way to comply with some kind of drop test requirements without resorting to either a Series 80 type mechanism or Kimber's new grip safety device. Just guessing. God bless.
 

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Oh great just waht we dont need, another safety on one of the most safe guns in the world......................
 

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If you check out Springfields website they have a quick time of the key lock in the MSH.

Also shows the new features of their guns.
 

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I hate the idea of the stupid lock built in. I have a safe to keep things out of trouble. I want a 1911 without that feature. I may pick up a full size loaded without the feature if I can find one. Otherwise I will change out the parts or buy something else.
 

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I just checked out Springfield Armory's website and found some information on the "Integral Locking System."

According to the website, "The [I.L.S.]kit replaces the mainspring housing of the pistol, is easy to install and does not require any modification to the pistol."

I assume this means that a gun can be rendered "lawyer-proof" by simply installing an I.L.S. in place of the existing mainspring housing. This means that the I.L.S. can be replaced by a different MSH as well (I hope!).

God bless gun laws and liberal-thinking politicians. Can you imagine what Springfield Armory could have done with the money that they are spending on these safety systems? I always thought that the best safety in the world resided between the ears of the person holding the gun. Silly me!


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Just another example of companies giving in to politicians and liability lawyers. I'm sure the gun manufacturers are only trying to cover their butts, but the gun haters will only keep asking for more and more of the same. If they can price guns out of the peoples ability to buy them , it is as good as a ban. If someone isn't smart enough to keep their guns away from kids what makes them smart enough to keep the guns locked?
 

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I'm sure the gun manufacturers are only trying to cover their butts
That's what it's all about - trying to "lawyer proof" their guns. Most gun makers are doing it - S&W has the much hated lawyer lock on their revolvers. Ruger has been fuglying-up their handguns for decades with the paragraph of lawyerese they insist on roll stamping on the left side of the barrel.

That's why I don't own any Ruger revolvers - "WARNING!!!!! THIS IS A GUN!!!!! GUNS ARE DANGEROUS AND CAN HURT, MAIM, CRIPPLE AND EVEN KILL PEOPLE, FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!!"

Really??:barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:
 

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Wow, this thread is five and a half years old :eek:
 

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Yeah. A, what kind of search did you run to find this, and B , what was the point in reopening it? The ILS is really old news. If you don't like it, don't use it, or better yet, remove it with a simple MSH swap out. Now on to really important stuff. Did any one else hear the rumour that Kimber may start using an external extractor in their 1911s? I predict this is just a rumour, it will never happen.:biglaugh:
 

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Come on glocker....don't stir the pot:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
P.S. I can't beleive I fell for checking a five year old post, man I must be gettin old
 

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glocker1911 said:
Yeah. A, what kind of search did you run to find this, and B , what was the point in reopening it? The ILS is really old news. If you don't like it, don't use it, or better yet, remove it with a simple MSH swap out. Now on to really important stuff. Did any one else hear the rumour that Kimber may start using an external extractor in their 1911s? I predict this is just a rumour, it will never happen.:biglaugh:
I checked my crystal ball and I for-see Kimber only useing the External Extractor for a few years before 50% of thier customes send them back for new slides :rolleyes:
 

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Is anyone going to close this thread or are we doomed to seeing old news all week long? Before anyone complains about my reply keeping the thread alive- I'm trying to be ironic, but it's late and I'm tired.:dope:
 
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