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This is sad to hear, Mike's videos and such helped me greatly getting into black powder shooting. He has some excellent info on the innards of black powder revolvers esp. colt repros like from Pietta, etc.

Nitro.45 said:

I would search the Township “law” that says “No Gun Ranges” to see if they define it. Talk to a reasonable lawyer and slap a lawsuit on them.

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^This is what should be done. Many places have such regulations and they are almost exclusively about commercial ranges not private property not open to general public.

I was looking at a place to move in my state and came across an ordinance re gun ranges. It seemed only about commercial, not private stuff. Called the sheriff to ask. He told me it only regulated commercial ranges used by the public and that in your own yard long as it is safe you can shoot black powder, bows, guns, whatever.

Mr. Belevue should check out the origin of the ordinance (or his lawyer should) it is likely intended only to apply to commercial 'gun ranges' used by the public not oneself on private property.

If he is allowed to shoot for hunting on the property do not know how they could ban shooting paper or steel. The act in question of shooting is identical.

Yes, it's all about how the law is phrased / written. I'm not going to make a call without that info.

Btw, in the real estate sales I've been involved in (a few hundred) the buyer has always received & signed title reports, disclosures, and/or CC&R's. In the VERY least they have signed that they understand that it's their responsibility to research the applicable laws concerning their intended use of the property. To me, it sounds like he bought the place with having a backyard shooting range as one of it's primary purposes.

If so.... why did he not even MENTION this to his Realtor? Because any agent worth a soda straw would have immediately told him to confirm the legality of that before making an offer, much less closing escrow ! Plus, all buyers are given, and sign, disclosures that the onus of researching suitability is on THEM.

However, there is the possibility that Mike bought this pad through some sketchy DYI, "quit claim deed" or other Home-Brewed hoopty-asss non-professional process. If so, his obligations to have checked legality & suitability remain the same, he just may have not been informed of them. Or he got that intel but chose to ignore it, and signed anyhow.

If THAT is the case, I can't feel sorry for the guy.

However, there is the possibility that the law was passed AFTER he closed the deal. If so, I support him ( & other affected landowners ) in making a huge stink. Maybe they'll get somewhere with that.

Again, it appears to me that Mike did not perform his Due Diligence on what is clearly a very important factor to him.

As a Realtor I worked with buyers who were looking for properties with suitability for a specific use in mind. This ranged from Dog Breeding, Day Care, to VRBO Rentals, Residential Care (elderly home) to Rehab Houses, Koi Pond gardens,, you name it.

So part of my practice (and that of all agents) was to speak to ALL buyers about their specific needs & requirements.

Now these intended uses were usually just typical Family Home type stuff, but often enough there were RV Hookup needs, future wheelchair access considerations, in-law quarters etc. So it was my job to look into these issues and to advise my clients as to where further information could be found. Be it through Zoning, Local Ordinances, Building & Safety, etc. And I was just an ordinary agent, not some over-achieving rock star Realtor.

So........ just what in the heck happened where this buyer's representation never asked what his use was to be, AND he never volunteered that info, or looked into it himself?

Then................ SURPRISE! ---- He can't have a shooting range in his yard. Wow, who could have seen THAT coming?

Nitro.45 ---------- I'm feelin' ya on that. He's hunting the Pennsylvania Honey Bunny that's known to stick around while getting shot at, all day long, but skedaddles outta sight when the authorities show up. And Mike can say that he's just a bad shot, so no hits today. Problem solved.

FDM1 ------------- Those folks being Anti-Rights is an unlikely assumption. Their opposition is probably based almost entirely on noise & maybe a little on errant-bullet safety.

Meaning that they would not care at all if you were firing your Ma Deuce in a bullet and sound proof underground bunker. They just don't wanna listen to your gunfire, band practice, or jet engine testing.

Peace & quiet being one of the attractions of rural living. I get it. I would not have bought my house if there was a range nearby. Now I would be okay with a neighbor maybe doing some shooting on Saturday afternoons (heck, I'd go over there to join in) but some joker blasting for hours on a daily basis would be a huge drag.

No thank you.