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The "Church & State" argument remains lame as hell: the Founders meant "Don't mandate a State Religion [Church Of England] and Leave The Religious Alone [stop persecuting the Puritans and Lutherans and others]".

I'm fairly sure they didn't mean ruining Christmas, Easter; tax-free Churches and even schools. Even if folks were not Religious, they knew what an Oath, Swearing-to, and A Mans Word was worth. Perhaps because they sensibly allowed dueling, and your Given Word was good - or you were not..
I am pretty sure that is what I meant when I said,
“I understand what you’re saying but we were founded more or less with the separation of Church and State as a basic principal to keep the government from taking over and regulating religion.”

The second part of my post reflects the fact that the Founders were mostly honorable men, some religious some not but they were not the devious and despicable kind of people that we have in our government today.


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Regarding "third world refugees": I'll take an army of Vietnamese boat people or Filipinos over any collection of "well-educated" Europeans I have encountered. Two examples of third world people that have very much adopted the traditional American values of hard work and self reliance. Actually, I'd attribute most of our political problems to "well-educated" voters of European descent.
From my personal experience, first generation immigrants are often conservative, more so from certain countries. But their kids tend to grow up in an environment of abundance, don’t understand concepts of delayed gratification and tend to join in identity politics. Philipinos are indeed somewhat exempt from this trend as are many Hispanics and Eastern Europeans. Western Europeans that I know are plain silly in escaping crappy economies of their home countries, but preaching their moral values here, whether they are asked or not.

We need to slow the rate of immigration to the level where assimilation rather than segregation into ethic enclaves becomes the norm.
 

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From my personal experience, first generation immigrants are often conservative, more so from certain countries. But their kids tend to grow up in an environment of abundance, don’t understand concepts of delayed gratification and tend to join in identity politics. Philipinos are indeed somewhat exempt from this trend as are many Hispanics and Eastern Europeans. Western Europeans that I know are plain silly in escaping crappy economies of their home countries, but preaching their moral values here, whether they are asked or not.

We need to slow the rate of immigration to the level where assimilation rather than segregation into ethic enclaves becomes the norm.
Yes, many kids are ruined by their parents and our education system which is dominated/corrupted by "well-educated" people of european descent and of course, generalizations are not always true which was part of my original point.

I think if illegal immigration was under control, we could probably assimilate the 1 million legal immigrants per year but the correct number could be different. Also, last time I checked, Europeans were not excluded from the legal immigration system....they just are not openly "preferred" as in the 1900s.
 

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Bullcrap. Clearly you do not know much about America.
No Sir, I know the US quite well, I have been living (part time) in the US for nearly two decades being fortunate to spend part of my life in a ranch that belongs to a good friend of mine located in the West, between Utah and Arizona, wonderful place on earth and wonderful people. Best place to live, no doubt.

Being an avid Colt firearms and western memorabilia collector that was the place to stay but the US no longer had need for well educated law abiding europeans just refugees from the third world and ilegal aliens...

Over these two decades and being a neutral witness I can attest that the American way of life and real americans, even their traditions and culture is going to dissapear soon. I remember a day, long time ago when I was visiting a Military Museum somewhere in the Rockie Mountains (being contributor editor for several gun related and military history publucations it was part of my job and hobby), the curator told me that I was the first and only visitor in a whole week. He asked me if I was a veteran, I replied, no Sir, I am not even american, just a poor european showing respect for this great nation....

Of course they will be people like you that do not want to hear that speech coming from a non american but Sir, it is the truth, just take a look to your streets...

And before you say something about Europe, yes, we are in the same situation. Large cities have been lost and are now in the hands of commies and third world new comers, just take a look to Paris, Berlin, London, Madrid..of course there is another Europe but like you is becoming scarce.

Hard times for our civilization..God Bless..
Well sir, you can believe what you want - wrong as it is. Many people before you have "misunderestimated" America and Americans. So you aren't alone.

But you are wrong. You don't have American in your veins so I don't really expect you to understand.

I'm not saying it won't get worse and I'm not saying it won't be easy. But then again, America was never an easy place to be. It didn't start that way and it won't end that way.
 

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Well sir, you can believe what you want - wrong as it is. Many people before you have "misunderestimated" America and Americans. So you aren't alone.

But you are wrong. You don't have American in your veins so I don't really expect you to understand.

I'm not saying it won't get worse and I'm not saying it won't be easy. But then again, America was never an easy place to be. It didn't start that way and it won't end that way.
Sir, I wish you the best of luck but your argument is totally wrong, I do not need to be a US citizen (America is a continent not a nation) to see and understand what is going on in the States.

By the way, the rest of the world also have patriotic feelings and the argument that you are the best just because you are americans is no longer valid, life is not a hollywood movie.
 

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No Sir, I know the US quite well, I have been living (part time) in the US for nearly two decades being fortunate to spend part of my life in a ranch that belongs to a good friend of mine located in the West, between Utah and Arizona, wonderful place on earth and wonderful people. Best place to live, no doubt.

Being an avid Colt firearms and western memorabilia collector that was the place to stay but the US no longer had need for well educated law abiding europeans just refugees from the third world and ilegal aliens...

Over these two decades and being a neutral witness I can attest that the American way of life and real americans, even their traditions and culture is going to dissapear soon. I remember a day, long time ago when I was visiting a Military Museum somewhere in the Rockie Mountains (being contributor editor for several gun related and military history publucations it was part of my job and hobby), the curator told me that I was the first and only visitor in a whole week. He asked me if I was a veteran, I replied, no Sir, I am not even american, just a poor european showing respect for this great nation....

Of course they will be people like you that do not want to hear that speech coming from a non american but Sir, it is the truth, just take a look to your streets...

And before you say something about Europe, yes, we are in the same situation. Large cities have been lost and are now in the hands of commies and third world new comers, just take a look to Paris, Berlin, London, Madrid..of course there is another Europe but like you is becoming scarce.

Hard times for our civilization..God Bless..
No offense, but very suspect...Part time living in one corner of the US hardly qualifies you as a very good opinion on the future of America and what most American's believe (your actual citizenry has nothing to do with this statement, btw). And the attendance of a military museum in the middle of the Rockies as a measure isn't a measure at all.

About the only thing I would agree with are there are hard times to come, because there always have been and there always will be. That is the nature of human existence, some A-hole or some group of A-holes wants to dominate others, steal their freedoms and resources (Just open up the Old-Testament-Bible, it is all there to see)...That is why you stand, fight, and prevail (running isn't going to do any good, it never does with political (and worse type)-thugs).
 

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Well sir, you can believe what you want - wrong as it is. Many people before you have "misunderestimated" America and Americans. So you aren't alone.

But you are wrong. You don't have American in your veins so I don't really expect you to understand.

I'm not saying it won't get worse and I'm not saying it won't be easy. But then again, America was never an easy place to be. It didn't start that way and it won't end that way.
Sir, I wish you the best of luck but your argument is totally wrong, I do not need to be a US citizen (America is a continent not a nation) to see and understand what is going on in the States.

By the way, the rest of the world also have patriotic feelings and the argument that you are the best just because you are americans is no longer valid, life is not a hollywood movie.
I'm not making the argument that "we are the best because we are Americans". But I will tell you we are the exceptional because we CHOOSE to be American and all that that entails.

I would not pretend to tell you how to be whatever nationality you are. And I wouldn't insult your nationality.

But don't even dare to insult my country and think you are going to get away with it. You are warned.
 

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I'm not making the argument that "we are the best because we are Americans". But I will tell you we are the exceptional because we CHOOSE to be American and all that that entails.

I would not pretend to tell you how to be whatever nationality you are. And I wouldn't insult your nationality.

But don't even dare to insult my country and think you are going to get away with it. You are warned.
Sir,

I have never pretended to insult your nation nor you or any other forum member.

I have great respect for the United States, I have spent many years of my life in the States, have even created a company in the US, providing jobs for americans and paid taxes, now I am an international distributor for several american firearms companies so my ties with the States are strong and true.

What I am trying to say and my english is not as good as I wish is that I have one advantange over you: I know the real face of socialism.

Definitely the USA is turning the wrong way, and I have observed that the US is following the same european socialist agenda based on ilegal inmigration to replace nationals (that no longer vote for them), total control of the media, welfare for minorities and of course gun bans.

Here the socialist took control of our societies over a period of decades without having to start up a racial war or riots
In the US the socialist are using violence amd intimidation to take control of big cities all across the nation

The cancel culture (a movement never seen here in Europe) is a good example
the commies are deleting your history and everybody agrees.

I truly believe in the american spirit but I am afraid that you are in the minority right now, many americans, your dem politicians and even many republicans do not longer believe in it. It is just a question of time, sooner or later you will become a minority, just take a look to California. I know what I am taking about, here in Europe it is happening the same and the results are the same.

The Evil is winning the war...and it is a global war..that is what I am trying to say.

All the best,
 

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Regarding "third world refugees": I'll take an army of Vietnamese boat people or Filipinos over any collection of "well-educated" Europeans I have encountered. Two examples of third world people that have very much adopted the traditional American values of hard work and self reliance. Actually, I'd attribute most of our political problems to "well-educated" voters of European descent.
From my personal experience, first generation immigrants are often conservative, more so from certain countries. But their kids tend to grow up in an environment of abundance, don’t understand concepts of delayed gratification and tend to join in identity politics. Philipinos are indeed somewhat exempt from this trend as are many Hispanics and Eastern Europeans. Western Europeans that I know are plain silly in escaping crappy economies of their home countries, but preaching their moral values here, whether they are asked or not.

We need to slow the rate of immigration to the level where assimilation rather than segregation into ethic enclaves becomes the norm.
Ah. I didn't know the west eruos and flips tend that way actually, guess that explains my family lol! (I'm a mix of those two)
 

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Sir, I wish you the best of luck but your argument is totally wrong, I do not need to be a US citizen (America is a continent not a nation) to see and understand what is going on in the States.

By the way, the rest of the world also have patriotic feelings and the argument that you are the best just because you are americans is no longer valid, life is not a hollywood movie.
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
EDIT; I put the bold lettering in javinchin's quote.
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Sir, I wish you the best of luck but your argument is totally wrong, I do not need to be a US citizen (America is a continent not a nation) to see and understand what is going on in the States.

By the way, the rest of the world also have patriotic feelings and the argument that you are the best just because you are americans is no longer valid, life is not a hollywood movie.
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
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Who you kidding, America is the only Nation on this continent that matters.

We got crummy things going on for sure, but we are the last hope and we have Faith and that goes a long way. We may even bail you out. Again. lol
 

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Yeah, I could see they may not be knocking on your door for your guns, but rather ammo now. I could see them pinching off any and all ammo routes...buying live ammo and all reloading supplies.

A knock at the door saying: We see you purchased some ammo last week, .45 and .308...you need to HAND IT OVER NOW OR GO STRAIGHT TO JAIL! NOW! DO IT!
 

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Sir,

I have never pretended to insult your nation nor you or any other forum member.

I have great respect for the United States, I have spent many years of my life in the States, have even created a company in the US, providing jobs for americans and paid taxes, now I am an international distributor for several american firearms companies so my ties with the States are strong and true.

What I am trying to say and my english is not as good as I wish is that I have one advantange over you: I know the real face of socialism.

Definitely the USA is turning the wrong way, and I have observed that the US is following the same european socialist agenda based on ilegal inmigration to replace nationals (that no longer vote for them), total control of the media, welfare for minorities and of course gun bans.

Here the socialist took control of our societies over a period of decades without having to start up a racial war or riots
In the US the socialist are using violence amd intimidation to take control of big cities all across the nation

The cancel culture (a movement never seen here in Europe) is a good example
the commies are deleting your history and everybody agrees.

I truly believe in the american spirit but I am afraid that you are in the minority right now, many americans, your dem politicians and even many republicans do not longer believe in it. It is just a question of time, sooner or later you will become a minority, just take a look to California. I know what I am taking about, here in Europe it is happening the same and the results are the same.

The Evil is winning the war...and it is a global war..that is what I am trying to say.

All the best,
Right now it seems we are basing our estimates on the major cities. I think the real test is when they start poking the folks in the "fly over" part of the country. For example where I live we as a people are doing fine. If the agitators come here and try to pee on our parade I am not sure how they will make out. Really it comes down to my children's age group. What are they going to do? I am pretty sure at the end of the day my kids will say hell no to the current events. Kids are 39/40 years of age. As for the wife and I we pray for best but prepare for the worst.

I lived in Germany for 10 years in a 20 year career. Loved it but under current circumstances don't want to go back. Great food!!
 

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Sir, I wish you the best of luck but your argument is totally wrong, I do not need to be a US citizen (America is a continent not a nation) to see and understand what is going on in the States.



By the way, the rest of the world also have patriotic feelings and the argument that you are the best just because you are americans is no longer valid, life is not a hollywood movie.
America is a nation, North America is a continent.

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Sir,

I have never pretended to insult your nation nor you or any other forum member.

I have great respect for the United States, I have spent many years of my life in the States, have even created a company in the US, providing jobs for americans and paid taxes, now I am an international distributor for several american firearms companies so my ties with the States are strong and true.

What I am trying to say and my english is not as good as I wish is that I have one advantange over you: I know the real face of socialism.

Definitely the USA is turning the wrong way, and I have observed that the US is following the same european socialist agenda based on ilegal inmigration to replace nationals (that no longer vote for them), total control of the media, welfare for minorities and of course gun bans.

Here the socialist took control of our societies over a period of decades without having to start up a racial war or riots
In the US the socialist are using violence amd intimidation to take control of big cities all across the nation

The cancel culture (a movement never seen here in Europe) is a good example
the commies are deleting your history and everybody agrees.

I truly believe in the american spirit but I am afraid that you are in the minority right now, many americans, your dem politicians and even many republicans do not longer believe in it. It is just a question of time, sooner or later you will become a minority, just take a look to California. I know what I am taking about, here in Europe it is happening the same and the results are the same.

The Evil is winning the war...and it is a global war..that is what I am trying to say.

All the best,
In 1942, Nazi Germany (Evil Incarnate) was winning the war. So what? They did not in fact win the war. Don't be deluded by snapshots in time my friend.
 

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Javachin you are missing one very important thing.

Sir,

I have never pretended to insult your nation nor you or any other forum member.

I have great respect for the United States, I have spent many years of my life in the States, have even created a company in the US, providing jobs for americans and paid taxes, now I am an international distributor for several american firearms companies so my ties with the States are strong and true.

What I am trying to say and my english is not as good as I wish is that I have one advantange over you: I know the real face of socialism.

Definitely the USA is turning the wrong way, and I have observed that the US is following the same european socialist agenda based on ilegal inmigration to replace nationals (that no longer vote for them), total control of the media, welfare for minorities and of course gun bans.

Here the socialist took control of our societies over a period of decades without having to start up a racial war or riots
In the US the socialist are using violence amd intimidation to take control of big cities all across the nation

The cancel culture (a movement never seen here in Europe) is a good example
the commies are deleting your history and everybody agrees.

I truly believe in the american spirit but I am afraid that you are in the minority right now, many americans, your dem politicians and even many republicans do not longer believe in it. It is just a question of time, sooner or later you will become a minority, just take a look to California. I know what I am taking about, here in Europe it is happening the same and the results are the same.

The Evil is winning the war...and it is a global war..that is what I am trying to say.

All the best,
Adversity is what brings the best out of us here in the US. That is what allowed us to pull all of your collective European butts out of the fire in the early nineteen forties.

When the French threw in the towel. The Germans controlled less than ten percent of France. What a bunch of spineless cowards. And sure you guys in Spain were cowering under the very fragile neutrality that that Nazi Franco managed to pull off. Which if the Axis had it's way would have gone the way of the Dinosaurs when they got around to it.

Sure we are going through a time of great adversity here in the US. The CV-19 virus and all of the baggage with that is hitting us pretty hard. The Bolsheviks are attempting to use this to their advantage. They will not succeed in doing this.

We are finally waking up to the Chinese threat and dealing with it. Funny that we do not hear much from the EU about taking a hard line against them. I guess that they are all worried about the Russians, But not really wanting to rock the boat there either.

Instead you have all of these cake boys like Macron, and that old bat Merkel making soothing overtures to attempt to smooth things over. Which will really only buy them time. Our president was entirely correct in calling them out to start bucking up to fill their defense obligations to NATO. Time will tell.

We are taking back our republic. Believe it or not, time will bear this out. For you people it is unfortunately far too late.
 

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Nato is still slacking - and they are trying to add a bunch of mickey-mouse "nations", too.. Apparently, the numpties have forgotten how WWI started.
 

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Sir,

I have never pretended to insult your nation nor you or any other forum member.

I have great respect for the United States, I have spent many years of my life in the States, have even created a company in the US, providing jobs for americans and paid taxes, now I am an international distributor for several american firearms companies so my ties with the States are strong and true.

What I am trying to say and my english is not as good as I wish is that I have one advantange over you: I know the real face of socialism.

Definitely the USA is turning the wrong way, and I have observed that the US is following the same european socialist agenda based on ilegal inmigration to replace nationals (that no longer vote for them), total control of the media, welfare for minorities and of course gun bans.

Here the socialist took control of our societies over a period of decades without having to start up a racial war or riots
In the US the socialist are using violence amd intimidation to take control of big cities all across the nation

The cancel culture (a movement never seen here in Europe) is a good example
the commies are deleting your history and everybody agrees.

I truly believe in the american spirit but I am afraid that you are in the minority right now, many americans, your dem politicians and even many republicans do not longer believe in it. It is just a question of time, sooner or later you will become a minority, just take a look to California. I know what I am taking about, here in Europe it is happening the same and the results are the same.

The Evil is winning the war...and it is a global war..that is what I am trying to say.

All the best,
Small correction, 'The Evil' is starting the war. They aren't 'winning' anything - yet. They haven't even provoked any real fighting. We're watching as the police in their cities are told to stand down, and their mayors and city council men are joining in the riots.

We're watching - and waiting. But we've not started to fight against it yet. Now is not the time. Before we - the people - can act, we must first let the enemies reveal themselves. Will it just be %10 of the populations of America's large cities? Will it be them, and their police? Will the federal government take action to get this under control? Will it fall on their side as well?

Until we know what exactly it is we're going to be fighting, the fighting can't begin. Between now and then, we arm up, stock, and get prepared because it is going to get uglier before it gets better.

Above all, we can't afford to lose the war now in our minds before the battle has even began. When the fighting starts, losing is not an option. There is no other country in the world which we can run to. Asia doesn't want us, South America probably doesn't either, and Europe is just as screwed up. So to steal a quote from Chesty Puller:

“We’re surrounded. That simplifies our problem of getting to these people and killing them.”
 

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Folks,

No offense but the USA of today is no longer a super power as it was at the end of WWII.


In 1945 Europe was devastated, even the Soviet Union, who really defeated the III Reich had to put on the table more than 26 million of casualties (80% of Wehrmacht casualties were on the Eastern Front) and was devastated. The US who never suffered the war on its own soil and with less than 416.000 casualties between the two fronts was the real winner. By that time you were not a multicultural nor multiracial society and best of all the heritage of your great Founding Fathers was still there.

In 2020 the United States is a multicultural and Multiracial Society divided by racial and social problems with shootings and riots on a daily basis, with a 24.95 trillion of National Debt close to default and unemployment rate nearly double of the EU numbers. Covid 19 is out of control (mainly due to protest and riots) and the prominent position in the World is now gone.

The real super power now is China, they own a large part of your debt and they manufacture your goods from clothing to medicines while europeans, japanese and koreans manufacture the cars you drive and luxury goods your rich liberals love, what the hell, Glocks, Sigs and HK are carried by your LEO, even the US Armed Forces have a foreign sidearm.

The World has changed, the EU is now the largest economy in the World with a GDP per head of more than 25.000 euros for its 500 million consumers. You say " America First" and it is fine but you can not blame us for finding new allies like China and Russia. They are not our enemies, they are your enemies.

Said that, I am against you? No, I truly wish that you prevail, you are a great nation with great people. I really think that real americans are the most friendly people on earth. If you prevail you will be a sample for the rest of the World and maybe again the torch of Liberty but trying to think that the rest of the World are stupid or cowards is not a good idea.

There are two Americas as there are two Europes. It is not the same to live in a large city than living in a small town. Demograhics, values and way of life are different.

Large Cities are the Kingdoms of Socialism, full of new comers depending on welfare and with total control of the educational system and best of all, control of the media. Their main goal is to turn large cities into small states or nations, the bigger the best for their plans of domination.

By the way, off topic but USMC, Spain was not really neutral during WWII, most than 50.000 spaniard soldiers fought for the Wehrmacht, Spain was pro III Reich and we help them ss much as we can, we were on the same boat. And the french are not cowards, never were. Without the help of France and Spain the young and poor United States never could have been unable to gain their independence. The truth is that
Our gold and our fleet was crucial to your victory against the british. George Washington and your Majesty the King of Spain were friends, even your first currency was spanish money. By that time the young USA and Spain were close friends and allies. We were crucial for the birth of your nation.

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Yep, if the Dems get in this November they will open borders and give illegals voting rights. With that, they will control the White House for decades.

No. They won’t give illegals voting rights. The Constitution prohibits that.


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