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When the weapon used for defense is brought to the shooting range, a certain type of training is done, in particular it is different from other weapons?
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First, all of my firearms, under the appropriate conditions, are used for defense. I call the shooting I do at the range "practice" rather than "training". I make this distinction because, unless I'm taking a course and there is an instructor, I'm just practicing the skills I have been taught, not learning new shooting skills. But, along with conventional 2-hand slow fire group shooting, I do practice double taps, double taps on two target, weak-hand shooting, one hand shooting, but very little moving & shooting.
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When I go to the range, I take pistols I carry (or would) and focus on speed, defensive shooting.
I do shoot slow fire at 25 yards just to know I can make the shot; but, 90% of my ammo expenditure is going to be at 7-10 yards, double taps, quick splits, and accurate shot placement at speed.

DA revolvers, its been a few years since I shot one and yes I have them.
I have 22lr "target" pistols but have not shot them in a decade.
SA revolver? Don't have any, not my thing.
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In my training I use ranges from 0 to 10 meters with multiple targets and shooting on the move trying to get out of the center of the X using one and two hands
I call that, as Retired Rod said, defensive shooting practice.
It would be training if done with an instructor.

If you would like to do that sort of shooting in a competition arena, I suggest IDPA, the International Defensive Pistol Association

and IPSC, the International Practical Shooting Confederation
Call me what you will, but a personal range trip will either be for data collection which involves my chronograph, lots of pencils and paper, or for paper punching. Yes, that would fall under the defensive shooting practice heading. My two goals are to build confidence in my ability to place my shots where I intend for them to go using strong hand, weak hand, and both hands and the second goal is to enjoy the range time. If I'm not enjoying putting the rounds in, I need to hang up my gloves.

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In the majority of civilian personal defense incidents fancy moves are not used. You're going to get into an in-your-face argument with somebody who suddenly decides he wants you either dead or in the hospital, weapons are drawn, and it's all over a few seconds later. Shooting while moving, El Presidente drills and all that stuff is good practice, but you likely won't have a chance to show your stuff against an aggressor. The biggest single thing you can do is train yourself to think of finding cover first. Unfortunately most shooting ranges require people to stand there like a stick man and slow-fire into paper targets. My local indoor range forbids people from using the lane dividers or table to support either themselves or the firearm. If I want to try anything resembling combat-style shooting I either have to do it out in the woods or practice indoors with air guns.

So to answer the original question, even when taking CCW guns to the range they're usually shot slow and boring style like all the others.
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In reality it is the movement that saves your life and it should be part of the training but I understand that every polygon has its own rules that must be respected
I was in the business for quite a while. Largely, it is matter of semantics so please don't take my view as claiming someone is either right or wrong, but as a matter of perspective (there are may routes to the top of the mountain) 😆

To me, every thing you do either on the range or in dry fire is "training". To be sure, there is "formal instruction" (often lead by a professional instructor) and there is "structured motor skills repetition" which might be lead by an instructor/coach but can also be done solo.

Everything you do repetitively can become a habit - so be very careful - what you don't practice becomes a habit also! For instance. If you perform 10,000 draws standing still, while not wearing a cover garment then when you have to draw on the move while clearing a cover garment becomes a "novel" (or different) operation. This is one of the challenges of formal classes. I'm all for taking professional instruction, but a lot of people on a square range limits mobility, due to safety concerns. In addition to formal instruction, one needs a serious training venue where he can move when he presents his weapon and can shoot on the move as well! Very few people can afford one on one instruction with a professional trainer. Some venues allow one student at a time - these are called "simulators" - the best are live fire with actually full powered firearms but there are uses for both non-firing and for Force-on-force training with non-lethal projectiles - all have their place.

Now I'm not saying you should always move on the draw - but most of the time it is a good idea (I've had two students who survived their gunfight unscathed who had bullets pass through the spot they were standing as they drew - the first step to the presentation ("Grip") was performed while they took a side step (we know this because on one the bullet passed through an object he was standing behind and one was caught on film).

Be careful how your train - it will likely become a habit; "Old habits make us die hard" ;)

Be careful what target and range you shoot because you are learning to shoot groups and they will end up in the real world about 3X as large as the ones you shoot in practice.

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Since I carry MOST of my 1911s, (I have a few safe queens), I shoot those carry guns at the range every time I go. Not all of them on the same range trip, but typically the one I'm carrying that day. I always start with the thumb safety engaged from the low ready or holstered.

Riposte mentioned drawing from a covering garment. That's always the toughest thing for me because I have many holsters and some are easier to draw from than others. If it's a tight holster and a 5" Gov't model, it can be a real bear to get it out of the holster quickly. I still practice it, but I hope that if I ever get into a real world self-defense encounter, that I'll have some kind of prior Intelligence enabling me to draw early.
In the majority of civilian personal defense incidents fancy moves are not used. You're going to get into an in-your-face argument with somebody who suddenly decides he wants you either dead or in the hospital, weapons are drawn, and it's all over a few seconds later. Shooting while moving, El Presidente drills and all that stuff is good practice, but you likely won't have a chance to show your stuff against an aggressor. The biggest single thing you can do is train yourself to think of finding cover first. Unfortunately most shooting ranges require people to stand there like a stick man and slow-fire into paper targets. My local indoor range forbids people from using the lane dividers or table to support either themselves or the firearm. If I want to try anything resembling combat-style shooting I either have to do it out in the woods or practice indoors with air guns.

So to answer the original question, even when taking CCW guns to the range they're usually shot slow and boring style like all the others.
This prevents quite a lot of useful training. Can't even really do an effective Mozambique drill (unless one is willing to risk getting escorted off the range). So...in my case all shooting has to take a very similar format.

That said, if I could do defensive shooting oriented drills, I would be doing them irrespective of the pistol in hand.
Levian, I understand. It is sometimes hard to convince Range owners/operators about these things.

I and a good friend (also an instructor - who also happened to be an Attorney) were asked to do a safety program for a new indoor range. Try as we might, we could not persuade them to accept holsters on the range nor allow fairly rapid fire.

So, while they took some of our program they didn't take some important parts. They went bankrupt in about three years.

I ran a public outdoor range for a few years - we not only allowed folks to draw, we held practical competitions - and allowed others to do so. We never had an injury.

Then again, I ran military ranges for more than a decade - we ran a "Hot" range from day one - we graduated 15,000 military folks (all of whom did combat tours) and hundreds of Law Enforcement officers and never had a ballistic injury (we did have our share of heat casualties, sprains etc)...at during the same time there were Army bases 100 miles in each direction - they had three fatalities on their "cold" ranges during that time.

It isn't all fun - I've left military ranges at 0200 after doing a white light class in January in a cold sweat! But we got away with it! It's like herding cats, teaching two 20 pack lines and having 5 assistant instructors and trying to keep track of everyone when the lights go out!

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This prevents quite a lot of useful training. Can't even really do an effective Mozambique drill (unless one is willing to risk getting escorted off the range). So...in my case all shooting has to take a very similar format.
I got to an A class in USPSA and intermediate at Rogers school doing my live fire training solely at public ranges, static shooting and all. Not that either of those achievements are huge, but not nothing too. I felt fairly confident in my technical abilities from a defensive standpoint training that way. Developing the relationship with range management and staff, allowing them to get comfortable by showing the existing skill set, understanding their reasons, exercising judgement in what type of practice to do depending on situation at the range all were the key in making my LGS range a reasonably useful place. Below is a vid of my practice this winter, nothing special about it but you can hear me using a timer, drawing from holster, and not holding back on tempo.

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That's always the toughest thing for me because I have many holsters and some are easier to draw from than others. If it's a tight holster and a 5" Gov't model, it can be a real bear to get it out of the holster quickly. I still practice it, but I hope that if I ever get into a real world self-defense encounter, that I'll have some kind of prior Intelligence enabling me to draw early.
Why hope for prior intelligence rather than getting rid of holsters that hinder your draw?
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