I was considering an Ultra Ten II vs an Ultra Carry, so I finally got sick of waiting for an Ultra Ten to show up in my favorite gun shop and I called kimber yesterday. I spoke with a representative and he told me that 0 (none) have even been PRODUCED yet, except for prototype models. Kimber has not received ATF approval on the gun and will not invest a dime in production until final ATF approval. So anyone waiting for the Ultra Ten II can hold their breath, but you will turn blue! No plans on shipping, no plans on production until ATF approval, and who knows when this will happen.