Used to shooting 1911 45acp; suck with 10mm M&P.

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Nice_Tony

Discussion Starter · 13 d ago

I recently purchased a 10mm Smith & Wesson M&P. It's a lot lighter than my 1911 but I like the 15+1 compacity. Even though all the guys at the range say it's a better system then my 1911, I suck with hitting targets well. I'll switch back to my 1911 and do better one handed than with the M&P. I know, practice until I'm better. Any suggestions? I'm probably going to be shooting a lot more pistols at the range since my State is in the process of banning everything else.

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ken98k

· #2 · 13 d ago

My first suggestion would be to move to a firearms friendly state!

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Kamerer

· #3 · 13 d ago

Nice_Tony said:
I recently purchased a 10mm Smith & Wesson M&P. It's a lot lighter than my 1911 but I like the 15+1 compacity. Even though all the guys at the range say it's a better system then my 1911, I suck with hitting targets well. I'll switch back to my 1911 and do better one handed than with the M&P. I know, practice until I'm better. Any suggestions? I'm probably going to be shooting a lot more pistols at the range since my State is in the process of banning everything else.

Do a lot of dry firing. Different guns require different techniques. Dry firing let’s you see what you are doing wrong quickly by watching the sights w/o the recoil involved. In the last year, I’ve put both a Hi Power and 92 in the line-up and dry fired each about 1,000 to 2,000 times before I live fired either. Made it much easier to be accurate w/them when I finally live fired. I’ve read many professional and shooters do about 80% of their practice dry firing; I’ve adopted that habit and it helps.

Also 10mm is a stout round so it may require substantial changes to your grip. I also shoot stout .357 loads sometimes, in the ball-park of most 10mm loads. Requires a different mental and physical approach. Also the DA/SA transition is in itself something to master; best learned dry-firing.

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ratwhacker

· #4 · 13 d ago

I have a harder time hanging onto my 9mm M&P than I do a .45 1911. Dunno why, but the nasty thing wants to walk around in my hands. If it weren't so reliable, I'd get rid of the contraption. I don't hate it, but I'm not a real fan, either.
I can't even imagine how hard it would be to hang onto a 10mm version. Good luck with it.

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USARV72

· #5 · 13 d ago

How do the trigger pulls compare? Nearly every “ new style” pistol Iv’e shot has less than good trigger pull.

Frank Vaccaro

· #6 · 13 d ago

Dry fire & practice. If you find you really don't get along with that gun, there's really no shame in staying with the 1911😉

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theraptur

· #7 · 13 d ago

A lot of it is in the trigger! But yep. Practice will cure that. I shoot my little xds2.0 fairly well. Also my xd40 I still shoot occasionally and an xdm10 I had prior.

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Pat-inCO

· #8 · 13 d ago

Rob Leatham

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tiribulus

· #9 · 12 d ago

Pat-inCO said:
Rob Leatham

This exact video completely changed my mind about how I was training a few years back. Especially for defense.

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Rustyaa55

· #10 · 12 d ago

My first 10mm was a Delta Elite. First 3 shots offhand at 25 yards cloverleafed. It shot every type of ammo it was fed. The Lite loads (same ballistics as 40s&w) Standard, and HEAVY (Underwood and Buffalo). Almost same feel as 180gr 45acp +P. Honestly have a blast shooting the Delta Elite.
Nothing wrong with trading in to go to what you know.
Life's too short.

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jimh406

· #11 · 12 d ago

M&P triggers are a lot different. That’s probably a lot of it. Also, the grip angle can be different as well.

Those are two things to check.

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Levian

· #12 · 12 d ago

I don't shoot either of my M&P pistols (9mm and 40 S&W) as well a I do any of my 1911s. They're a slightly different animal, and I am willing to accept a (slightly) lower degree of accuracy with them. I'm fairly certain the majority of that is me more so than the weapon(s). I shoot them well enough for them to serve the purposes that I need them to serve, it is what it is.

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LimaCharlie

· #13 · 12 d ago

I shoot any 1911 in any caliber better than any of my plastic fantastic handguns. I am far more accurate with a 1911 or a single-action revolver due mostly to the trigger and somewhat due to the grips.

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1977loadstar

· #14 · 12 d ago

MMM I just this past sun shot my kimber 10mm and my sa ronin 9mm.Now both are 1911s but I had no issue going from one to the other,the 10 just packed more punch,the 9 less recoil,guns weight felt similar to me.Granted if I had my sa xdm and either of those I know it might vary.I will try it this weekend for kicks and follow up.

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tiribulus

· #15 · 12 d ago (Edited)

jimh406 said:
M&P triggers are a lot different.

To say the least.
I was out yesterday shooting my M&P 45 2.0 full size at maybe 50 feet. Much further than I usually shoot, but I still want to keep up some accuracy at some distance too.

M&P pistols have that long take up. Mine has a solid wall, almost no creep and then a clean break, but the long take up.

I pull it to the wall as I'm presenting it, aim and then finish the pull to fire when using the sights at some distance like that.

I got a few mags in and then pulled out the Tisas SS 45 Duty to compare. As I'm presenting it, the gun fires

I was still dialed in for the M&P take up and this 1911 has maybe a millimeter (o two) of take up.

Both great guns, but boy are they different.

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Nice_Tony

Discussion Starter · #16 · 12 d ago

USARV72 said:
How do the trigger pulls compare? Nearly every “ new style” pistol Iv’e shot has less than good trigger pull.

The 1911 trigger is of course better IMO. I can't think of a trigger pull I like more than 1911 in my personal opinion. The M&P has a trigger with an additional little plastic do-dad that pokes out of the other trigger. Hard to explain. It's for safety I believe and it's probably a work or engineering genius but it's taking some getting used to feeling that little guy pull and then the additional pull of the trigger that it's nested inside of, if that makes sense.

Tim Burke

· #17 · 12 d ago

1911 triggers are conducive to accuracy when shooting with precision techniques.
The 10mm, especially with full power loads, is more likely to induce a flinch.
I suspect your answer is in there and that the solution is dry fire.

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USARV72

· #18 · 12 d ago

Nice_Tony said:
The 1911 trigger is of course better IMO. I can't think of a trigger pull I like more than 1911 in my personal opinion. The M&P has a trigger with an additional little plastic do-dad that pokes out of the other trigger. Hard to explain. It's for safety I believe and it's probably a work or engineering genius but it's taking some getting used to feeling that little guy pull and then the additional pull of the trigger that it's nested inside of, if that makes sense.

You are correct about 1911 triggers, hard to beat. I had a S&W 45 Shield for about a year. Traded if off on a 80’s Colt Commander Custom Shop that needs lots of work but trigger is pretty good. Guess I’m just a 1911 guy as been shooting them for half a century like many other here.Dry fire as suggested above helps as does “ball and dummy” if you have a friend that can help. Good luck.

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drail

· #19 · 12 d ago

Tim Burke said:
1911 triggers are conducive to accuracy when shooting with precision techniques.
The 10mm, especially with full power loads, is more likely to induce a flinch.
I suspect your answer is in there and that the solution is dry fire.

^ THIS ^

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low drag

· #20 · 11 d ago

I'm 99.99% sure the M&P 10mm (and 45) have the same grip angle as a 1911...
Try changing out the grip inserts to see if one gives better results than another. I find the largest grip that fits gives me the recoil management I prefer.

I've noted different grips panels and mainspring housing combos make a huge difference when I shoot 1911s.

I have a number of 1911s, including in 10mm, that I enjoy. I'm currently in the hunt for an M&P in 45 ACP, I'd really like that new one from the PC with 5.6" barrel.

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