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It all started with simple talk the first time.
You are correct , my bad .The state constitution limits governors to one term.
General Sherman and a bunch of other war criminals are responsible for the lions share of debauchery. And it was secretary Staunton that largely was responsible for the totally corrupt reconstruction practices. It can be argued that ill advised reconstruction policies that inevitably led to Jim crow. That this caused far more destruction to the Southern states than the actual war did. 6-700,000 dead souls notwithstanding.Last time we tried to secede Lincoln tried to kill all of us and then we were under carpet bagger rule, still are to a certain extent.
They wouldn't be seceding. They are simply transfering to a different state. Completely legal.Last time we tried to secede Lincoln tried to kill all of us and then we were under carpet bagger rule, still are to a certain extent.
You did not have places like chicago to point to as exhibit A of what join the CSA back then. You could just warn what might happen. This time it wont be north south. It will be conservatives and liberals and i predict it will go down like cowboys and indians with conservatives being the cowboys.Last time we tried to secede Lincoln tried to kill all of us and then we were under carpet bagger rule, still are to a certain extent.
A lot of people died, I'll give you that, but you should read up on Lincoln, he hated every second of the "Uncivil" war, and he didn't start it, contrary to the re-writers of history.Lincoln tried to kill all of us
Well said. Thank you!! :rock:The way I see it is that a serious movement needs to be established, founded on the Constitution, on Freedom and the rights of mankind. Not rights to murder and enslave others for greed's sake, but the right to work hard and build a life, a good life that hurts no one else.
This movement needs careful planning and implementation, in all things legally per the Constitution, because we know the Founder's expected us to overthrow tyrants, so there has to be a legally declared opposition with the fall back of the righteous use of arms by all who love this country.
It's also clear that there can be no legal right to take up arms against the Constitution, so anyone who opposes the movement is a true outlaw and needs to be dealt with, with compassion if possible but with strength and determination if not.
This pathway is so clearly set before us that any other path looks stupid by comparison because we cannot negotiate away our Constitutional rights. We have to establish a new government, within the old one if possible but by any means if not, because those who oppose the Framer's ideas is a traitor, pure and simple.
A lot of people died, I'll give you that, but you should read up on Lincoln, he hated every second of the "Uncivil" war, and he didn't start it, contrary to the re-writers of history.
But if there is another war it will be a continuation of the revolutionary war, the throwing out of tyrants whose aim is that of destroying Liberty.
Lincoln believed all human beings that were here legally should have Liberty, and the slavery issue was contrary to the Constitution "With Liberty and Justice for all".
Please stop equating the struggle for Liberty with that war for slavery, this struggle is to RETURN America to its foundations, not to overthrow them.
The way I see it is that a serious movement needs to be established, founded on the Constitution, on Freedom and the rights of mankind. Not rights to murder and enslave others for greed's sake, but the right to work hard and build a life, a good life that hurts no one else.
This movement needs careful planning and implementation, in all things legally per the Constitution, because we know the Founder's expected us to overthrow tyrants, so there has to be a legally declared opposition with the fall back of the righteous use of arms by all who love this country.
It's also clear that there can be no legal right to take up arms against the Constitution, so anyone who opposes the movement is a true outlaw and needs to be dealt with, with compassion if possible but with strength and determination if not.
This pathway is so clearly set before us that any other path looks stupid by comparison because we cannot negotiate away our Constitutional rights. We have to establish a new government, within the old one if possible but by any means if not, because those who oppose the Framer's ideas is a traitor, pure and simple.
I hate it that all the things I saw 60 years ago are coming to fruition, and it's happened far slower than I expected but stopping it will not happen by piecemeal activities, nor by constant preaching to the choir, we have to start thinking for the long term and be willing to sacrifice everything for Freedom. Otherwise, we may as well just give up our guns, and everything else we love, and hope death comes quickly.
Last time they Hoodwinked us with that they called it the tea party movement. Once they all got re-elected, it fizzled out big time.The way I see it is that a serious movement needs to be established, founded on the Constitution, on Freedom and the rights of mankind. Not rights to murder and enslave others for greed's sake, but the right to work hard and build a life, a good life that hurts no one else.
My thoughts exactly. I don't want the south to rise again, I just want to see the tree of liberty watered.I don't see any analogy to the American Civil War either. The south back then was mostly run by Democrat who didn't truly believe in individual rights. The South back then was controlled by the plantation owners who wanted to maintain their power. And I don't care what one's politics or religious beliefs are today, slavery is wrong and it isn't arguable by any reasonable person...
Moreover, it is also technically flipped, back then the South was claiming state rights to maintain their hold on power, today the Lefty is claiming state-rights to take your firearms. Therefore, if you do want to use this analogy, Pro-2A would be part of Lincoln's North and the Lefty Gun-Grabbers part of the Evil-South (back then)...In essence, if you think about it, the Lefty today are the ones trying to secede from our Constitution (believing it is an outdated piece of paper). Not the other way around, just like Lincoln we (PRO-2A) are trying to preserve our Constitution. Don't let/identify-with geography (a constant) distort your perception without considering the changes in politics over the last 160+ years which is anything but a constant...
The Revolutionary war, perhaps a better analogy, but still not close enough. Then we had a foreign power we needed to through out, today, the enemy is embedded among us, they live here, it creates a much different and more challenging dynamic.
So you think white men put on blue uniforms risking their lives because they belived the black man to be equal and white men put on gray uniforms becuase they believed them to be slaves? YOu need a history lesson as most yankees were as racist as southerners and maybe more. Blacks were not allowed to vote in many yankee states. Yes slavery was a big cause of the war, but if also was about money and while slaves were the currency at the time they were considered legal property thus the war was over money and sectional differences. Hell many yankees wanted them deported to liberia.A lot of people died, I'll give you that, but you should read up on Lincoln, he hated every second of the "Uncivil" war, and he didn't start it, contrary to the re-writers of history.
But if there is another war it will be a continuation of the revolutionary war, the throwing out of tyrants whose aim is that of destroying Liberty.
Lincoln believed all human beings that were here legally should have Liberty, and the slavery issue was contrary to the Constitution "With Liberty and Justice for all".
Please stop equating the struggle for Liberty with that war for slavery, this struggle is to RETURN America to its foundations, not to overthrow them.
The way I see it is that a serious movement needs to be established, founded on the Constitution, on Freedom and the rights of mankind. Not rights to murder and enslave others for greed's sake, but the right to work hard and build a life, a good life that hurts no one else.
This movement needs careful planning and implementation, in all things legally per the Constitution, because we know the Founder's expected us to overthrow tyrants, so there has to be a legally declared opposition with the fall back of the righteous use of arms by all who love this country.
It's also clear that there can be no legal right to take up arms against the Constitution, so anyone who opposes the movement is a true outlaw and needs to be dealt with, with compassion if possible but with strength and determination if not.
This pathway is so clearly set before us that any other path looks stupid by comparison because we cannot negotiate away our Constitutional rights. We have to establish a new government, within the old one if possible but by any means if not, because those who oppose the Framer's ideas is a traitor, pure and simple.
I hate it that all the things I saw 60 years ago are coming to fruition, and it's happened far slower than I expected but stopping it will not happen by piecemeal activities, nor by constant preaching to the choir, we have to start thinking for the long term and be willing to sacrifice everything for Freedom. Otherwise, we may as well just give up our guns, and everything else we love, and hope death comes quickly.