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I have seen several fakes at gunshows in the last couple of years. That one has the best markings so far. They must be getting better. The relief cuts look Essex like, as mentioned. Seems like they could have found a GI trigger.
 

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Aren't we looking at a federal offense?

"It is a crime punishable with 10-years imprisonment to alter the serial number of a firearm."

"It is a crime punishable with 10-years imprisonment to possess a firearm with an altered serial number."

Sites such as Gunbroker must be 'on board' with compliance??
 

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seems like a lot of effort to create a fake, and then show it off as pretty ragged out (rust under firing pin retainer)....dude, at least make it show well.

markings were roll marked or stamped, not engraved; SN is way too neat.
 

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seems like a lot of effort to create a fake, and then show it off as pretty ragged out (rust under firing pin retainer)....dude, at least make it show well.

markings were roll marked or stamped, not engraved; SN is way too neat.
There is no way to stamp or roll mark the pistol. Hand stamping is simply not possible to keep in perfect alignment and the roll marking requires an elaborate set up; a roll die, and a machine capable of applying enough pressure to roll it on. Even the high dollar restorers have to resort to hand engraving to restore markings.
The markings are engraved with a pantagraph machine just like a jeweler uses to engrave. The skill of the operator determines how well the outcome is. The one thing they can't avoid are the rounded ends of the cuts, and that pistol shows them clearly.
 

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'Sites such as Gunbroker must be 'on board' with compliance??'

Auction sites are listing services. They generally forbid unlawful items but are not required to certify authenticity of any item - you can imagine what that would involve. This pistol is a mess - I can hardly believe it has been bid on, much less to $505.
 

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There is no way to stamp or roll mark the pistol. Hand stamping is simply not possible to keep in perfect alignment and the roll marking requires an elaborate set up; a roll die, and a machine capable of applying enough pressure to roll it on. Even the high dollar restorers have to resort to hand engraving to restore markings.
The markings are engraved with a pantagraph machine just like a jeweler uses to engrave. The skill of the operator determines how well the outcome is. The one thing they can't avoid are the rounded ends of the cuts, and that pistol shows them clearly.
yep, noticed that. stamped or roll marked info also tends to push up the adjoining metal slightly, and info will have nice crisp edges.
 

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In the case of Remington Rand, most of the markings were applied before sandblasting and final finish took place. The assembler markings, acceptance markings, P proofs, and serial number were applied after finish.
This photo shows that the USP had been sandblasted over, while the serial number was not.

 

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The triger cut outs look like they were made with a dremil tool. Their's not enough metal removed. The right side is the worst!
 

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Can't someone complain to the auction site. If they receive a complaint, I would think they would have to react to it.

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Not worthwhile. For all they know you are someone who has a grudge with seller. There are so many b/s stories on those auctions you could make a career pointing them out. The seller may not know the gun is a fake and technically illegal why not educate him first?
 

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Gunbroker could care less if one of their sellers is trying to pull a fast-one.The more the fraud sells for,the more commision goes to the site.

Just recently a guy was exposed selling a Nazi dagger as original with capture papers for $5000.It turns out the seller bought the papers seperately on another auction,brought the two together,and now hopes for some sucker to fall for his fraud.That seller is blatantly trying to double the value of his dagger by adding those papers.

Gunbroker was notified of the attempted scam,but could care less.They stick to their "Buyer Beware" clause.They probably just hope the sale gets completed by some dumb buyer,as the commision on a $5000 sale is their goal.
 
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