Yep. Until I build an upper specifically for those Im sticking with the 68 gr OTM Black Hills for defense and then a crapload of Q3131A for practice.YammyMonkey said:Sounds like the heavier 75 and 77gr loads are doing very well in gelatin tests and are starting to gain a following. Problem is you need a tighter twist bbl to fire them accurately at longer ranges.
You might want to check the facts. Unless you are engaging targets in self defense at over 175 yds (??) the AR with ball ammo may be the best out there. Black Hills is good stuff. See link.SockPuppet said:Dieselman, I wouldn't put too much faith in those Ballistic Tips for defense purposes. They are a rapid expansion/shallow penetration round designed more for varmint hunters/seekers-of-the-red-mist.
If you want a good defense load, go with a softpoint designed for penetration, Sierra Gameking hollowpoint, or bonded core style bullet. Just ensure proper feeding. The military style FMJ ammo is a cheap alternative as well, but doesn't offer the penetration because of its tendency to fragment.
For defense though, I'd seriously want to look at something with more rapid incapacitation capability than a .223. For defense you are usually looking at very close ranges, and rapid incapacitation is critical to protect you from further attack from your target.
I've retired my AR to the safe and leave the defense role in the hands of the 10 gauge with 2 1/2 oz. of #4 buckshot and a .45 ACP.
You mean facts like when 30 lb. coyotes are shot with .223 ball ammo they have a tendency to take off running, never to be seen again? This frequently occours even at short ranges, under 40 yards.BillD said:You might want to check the facts.