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I just picked up a copy of the Nov/Dec American Handgunner. Featured on the Cover is Kimber's DESERT WARRIOR. Missing is the much ballyhood external Extractor! I seem to remember much Discussion about how superior the external Extractor was to the old fashioned internal Extractor.

Wha' happened? Is Kimber admitting that the old fashioned, much maligned internal Extractor, as designed by JMB, is in Fact superior to their new-fangled exterior Extractor?
 

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Kimber has had alot of warentee issues with the external extractors and seems to be back tracking toward the original. I have two series 2's with the internal a Pro CDP and a Custom Target 2 both are flawless.
 

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Back to internal-extractors?

For me that is the best thing that could happen with Kimbers! ( if they went back to the internal that is) even though others have externals and seem to work without a problem now. Kimber has had their share of problems with their design. I think It was a mistake for them to change the extractor! if it was to save money! I really don't think it has been possible with the amount of problems they have had with them all the while also damaging their name.

Many have sent there guns in several times before the right extractor worked. I am an internal guy. I have nothing against a proven well working ex-extractor but with the Kimbers I have lost my faith in them. I always look for internal only when buying and will not even consider one with an ex. Just my preference for me not to mention the looks of the gun are diminished with the ex. :grumble:

All in all I do like Kimbers and think they make a real good gun, MIM really doesn’t bother me that much, and they don't seem to have the machine problems of other manfactures and it serves as a good base gun for a smith to perform his magic on. :D

Oh yea! I have a UCDP II with the internal-ex and it is a great gun without any problems other than a few minor feed problems using the Kimber mag like 3 out of 400 rounds or so. But when using the Wilson mags she is flawless. :D :D :D
 

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Either way is fine.

I also own a Kimber with the internal and one with the external and I can't tell them apart as far as extracting goes. They both work as advertised. :D
 

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If Kimber switches back to all internal extractors, I would bet it's because it turned out that the cost of the four parts were higher than the costs for an internal extractor and labor for adjusting it (or adjusting it after the pistol is returned.)

It will be interesting to note which extractor is on the next new Kimber model.
 

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Kruzr said:
If Kimber switches back to all internal extractors, I would bet it's because it turned out that the cost of the four parts were higher than the costs for an internal extractor and labor for adjusting it (or adjusting it after the pistol is returned.)

It will be interesting to note which extractor is on the next new Kimber model.
I wouldn't count on the "tactical extractor" going away anytime soon.
Just my 2 cents.
 

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Cheaper?

Whenever a Manufacturer makes a Change in an established Design, I can tell you two Things. One for "Maybe," and one for certain!


1) Maybe it's an Improvement.

2) For certain, it costs less to manufacture!


I think that Kimber has answered the int/ext Debate. When it absolutely positively HAS to work, they revert to the Design which God and JMB gave us!
 

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Pampers said:
I think that Kimber has answered the int/ext Debate. When it absolutely positively HAS to work, they revert to the Design which God and JMB gave us!
In basic training 22 years ago, I shot a 1911 in the form that "God and JMB intended", and it left a lot to be desired. Small nub of a thumb safety, 6+lb trigger, no checkering, nearly invisible nub for a front sight,etc. Oh, yeah, 6" group at 15yds, too. My TLE has several thousand rounds with not a single FTE or FTE. It works fine, and I continue to be amused by all the brouhaha over external extractor. Kimber may have had few hiccups with the first gen. external, but note that on the boards you don't see similar gripes about the S&W 1911, which also has an external. Much ado over nothing... :D
 

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Much ado over nothing...

I have a Friend who has had to send his S&W 1911SC back three times to cure FTE problems. Somehow, I doubt that he's unique!
 
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