Originally posted by jpwright:
My 9 mm manual also said no to +P ammo, but sort of half-heartedly, so I called the manufacturer. The spokeswoman I contacted said a more definite no. The problem is the polymer frame, she said. It won't take the pounding of +P ammo.
I don't know anything about your Walther, but I suspect it has a polymer frame, too.
Originally posted by jaydee:
Also, FWIW, consider the new Federal EFMJ rounds, they should provide excellent penetration, and expansion in even the colder climates where people could be bundled in heavy clothing.
Oops, one more thing. "EFMJ" I am not familiar with this one jaydee. Tell me more.
Sorry to come to this thread so late but I was out of pocket for a while. This is a good topic and I hope I can do it justice in the brief time I have.Originally posted by WaltherP99man:
I am trying to decide which 9mm ammo to use in my carry Walther. I have read as many different opinions on 115gr vs. 147gr as I have 9 vs. 45.
Very good information Jim. You did it plenty of justice. "Fail Safe" or a close as possible short of trying to carry my shotgun around all day is what I am seeking. Your comments on 147gr were most enlightening. The standard knock against them I had heard was the subsonic velocity but that argument never made sense considering the average velocity of 45ACP.Originally posted by JimH:
Sorry to come to this thread so late but I was out of pocket for a while. This is a good topic and I hope I can do it justice in the brief time I have.
In short, what I prefer is a philosophy of "fail safe" bullet performance. Or at least to minimize the chance of a bullet failing to reach the vitals. In this regard, on unarmored subjects, heavier bullets are decidely superior but I am willing to accept a compromise in order to get some expansion.
Most 147s, on the other hand truly are less likely to expand, but there are exceptions. This is not just a velocity thing - many .45s expand reliably at 800 fps - but it is a design thing.
I have long advocated a 135 gr. bullet for the 9mm at about 1050 or 1100 fps. Both Federal and Triton offer such a load. Actually the Triton is a +P and goes about 1150 from my gun. The Federal Personal Defense H-S is standard pressure and goes about 1040. Both seem to expand well and hold together (the Triton bullet is a custom designed Hornady XTP).
Another bullet that expands well and penetrates is the Winchester Ranger-T 127gr +P+. This one goes 1301 fps from my P-35 and nearly always expands. It is the load that I issue to our deputies that carry 9mms though I have been issueing the Triton +P in the last year. Both loads are probably as good as it gets in 9mm
Another load worth considering is the Speer 124 Gold Dot +P. It expands reliably and holds together. The Remington GS 124 is probably a good load also.
If I had to carry a 9mm (and I turned down a L.E. job once because that is all they would let me carry - but that was in the old days when good bullets could not be had) I would probably load it with +P 135 Tritons or the Winchester +P+ 127 but there are still a lot of other loads that come really close. I can't think of any 115s I really like but I have not worked with the XTP or Gold Dots in that weight.. they might do OK.
Well, back to work. Hope this is not too muddled.