And we should notice the cannelure (shallow as it is) rolled into the case to prevent bullet set-back. The JMB original .45 ACP specs had a rather deep groove rolled into the case. The .45 & .380 ammo I have has the same as yours.
Their lack of tactics/training had just as much to do with the outcome. As for weaponry, a simple lever action carbine, even in a pistol round like .357, could have made an incident ending headshot fairly easy. Always thought a .357/.38 carbine made a heck of a lot of sense for police, back when they carried revolvers.
Blame the gun industry itself for the Black Talon fiasco. Those bullets would peel back during expansion to reveal sharp pointed "claws", and their alleged "cutting effect" was played up in the gun rags to such a level that the anti-gun crowd found out about them almost immediately. The news media had a field day with it, and Winchester had to take them off the market before the public hysteria grew out of control. Had they simply been marketed as personal protection ammo without the outlandish claims of being able to tear flesh like an eagle's talons I doubt anybody would've noticed. ALL bullets tear through flesh... even FMJ.
Metal piercing ammo was available to the public as late as 1977-1978. I carried them as the last couple rounds in my 357 model 19 when I worked nights alone. The idea was that if I was still firing rounds 5 and 6, I would be shooting through a car. I forgot the brand but they were a perfect cone. They looked like this. It was not AP ammo because it was just a pointed hard jacket with lead behind. The claimed it would bust an engine block. We shot some on an old car but there was not much effect. That said, it would zip right through car doors.
Black Talon - Overview (liquisearch.com) It was a shooting at a law office in California. He killed 9.
"Five months and six days after the Ferri shootings, Colin Ferguson, a native of the Caribbean island of Jamaica, went on a murderous rampage on the Long Island Railroad (NY) with a questionably purchased3 Ruger P89 loaded with 9 X 19mm Black Talon 147-grain rounds, approximately one month following Olin’s decision to remove the entire Black Talon brand of ammunition from the Winchester commercial catalogue. hat shoot was after the Black Talon was no longer produced."
And the Black Talon were simply rebranded as the Ranger T and for law enforcement only for a while. Testing has shown them to be exactly the same. I still have some that I found cheap on a clearance sale. The store said they were a fake copy of the Black Talon, they were not. The store had no clue. LOL They are good ammo. All of the Winchester defensive ammo is good stuff.
Yes I have some also in two rounds that I seldom shoot anymore 40. S&W and .44 Magnum. Maybe in a hundred years they will be worth something to a collector.
I bet they're worth something right now if you want to unload it to the right buyer.
