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20 lb recoil spring, experiences?

15K views 63 replies 28 participants last post by  dakotaTex  
#1 ·
I had a bad experience with a Philipino 1911 Government model a couple of years ago, and could return it in the store for a full refund because it broke on the first trip to the gun range with standard ammo.

Before and after that I have been eyeing the Springfield Government models, especially the SS 1911A1 which looks totally awesome with with the wooden grips and the beefy looks of the pistol. But I could never justify the cost. Drool candy.

As it happened I came over about $500 which I could spend any way I wanted. I have been looking around in gun stores for a year because I knew the money would be coming. But there are always something wrong with the gun you have in your hand. Most often how the grip is slightly rotated left/right or tilted left/right in relation to the frame. If you are one of those who says this is not true, next time you go to a gun store, pop out the magazine and look down the magazine well and compare how that opening lines up with the extension of the frame. It will be an eye opener. Anyway. I was so close to buying another Philipino 1911 Government model the other day because it had only a very small imperfection about what I just talked about and the money was kind of burning in my pocket. But then... In another gun store which I went to, prior to going back to buy the Philipino, I checked out their Philipino selection and their Philipino prices. $485. Better than the $570 at Academy Sports, but the pistols were not as nice and not as straight. And there it was. One new Mil-Spec Springfield 1911A1 SS. On clearance. $619. Oh my godness. And how straight it was. A gun a blind man can shoot and hit the source of sound with.

Anyway. Now I have ordered 20 lb springs for it before I pump it up with +p ammo. What are your experiences with heavy springs in your 1911 Government model? Now, I don't want to hear about the dangers of heavy springs and the battering of the frame upon slide return. The blow back force of a slide is a thousand times greater than the forward force by the recoil spring. Slides crack around the dust guard because of the blow back force, sooner or later. I have a Firestar with a 24 lb spring that cycles standard 9mm ammo just fine. 16 lb was the original strength. When I replace the spring in my new gun, can I do it from the front without removing the slide?

Is there a self defense ammo Mil-Specs like more than others? I found 185 gr hollow point on clearance at Academy Sports which I bought 250 of.

I will keep this 1911A1 for life if it performs. I will take it shooting soon and bring back a report of how that went. Non +p because the springs aren't here yet.
 
#38 ·
Slow-motion film of recoil spring VS slide, in a 1911. Draw your own conclusions, but know that slamming causes metal fatigue and cracks. The energy sent through the pistol on slamming impact reverberates back and forth within the pistol, through all parts, much like a depth charge outside a submarine can cause cracks inside the submarine to appear in the strangest places.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YdEGWEX4LM
 
#40 ·
Are you still ignoring the fact that millions of 1911's have fired trillions of rounds and still don't have cracks?

I have seen engine blocks develop cracks from the gas/air explosions that happen within them thousands of times per minute. With pistons slamming into rod ends and valves slamming into seats. Does this mean that the design of the internal combustion engine in inherently wrong? Even though there are billions of internal combustion engines running just fine right now?

My door has slammed into my door frame a million times, and it has yet to develop cracks.

My hammer has slammed into all sorts of things are super high velocity, and has yet to develop cracks.

Do you see what everyone here is trying to tell you? Are you saying that Wilson, Brown, Baer, Pachmayr, Volkmann, Liebenberg, the crews of Springfield, Smith and Wesson, Nighthawk, etc... are all idiots?

Are you still denying that your version of common sense makes zero sense?

Metal slams into metal at high velocity in millions of applications around the world. In a Glock, HK, M&P, and other polymer framed guns, metal slams into plastic!!! So you may want to jump on the Glock forums and let them all know of their impending danger.
 
#42 ·
The pistol was easier to shoot with the 20 lb spring. Less perceived recoil, less muzzle flip. The same notion was had with my Firestar a couple of years ago when I went from 16 lb to 24 lb.

It may be that the link on the barrel is the weak point, on slide return with greater force, but I rather replace a broken link after 5000 rounds that have a situation where slamming is degrading the whole pistol. I'll make it a habit to ask for a 24 lb spring when I'm in gun stores from now on. This one didn't have one. I'm going to Gander and Cabelas tomorrow.
 
#49 ·
I've been a long time lurker...but felt the need to register and post a reply to this asinine theory that goes against all proven methods of building a proper semi-automatic handgun.

Common sense tells me and others here that a heavier recoil spring (above standard rates of 16-18lbs) does nothing to improve the handling characteristics of a 1911. As stated previously the function of a recoil spring is to aid in stripping a round from the magazine and putting the gun into battery.

If the OP is so concerned about metal on metal contact and battering your frame and slide...get your self a shok-buff or something similar. You'll do more damage to your barrel lugs and link, as well as other components with a spring in the 20lb range.

Why come on here and ask for advice when you already have your mind set on something? You obviously know more than we on the forum and beyond.
 
#50 ·
Hello CCW, I admit I have no experience with Firestars with 24# recoil springs but, like many members here, have some experience with 1911 type pistols in various calibers, and with various recoil spring rates. I think folks here have given you some very reasonable advice. It has been my experience that use of 20# and heavier recoil springs in Government size .45 ACP pistols may have a downside or two. Those downsides may include reliability being compromised due to the faster return to battery speed causing feedway malfunctions, ammo loaded lighter than the heavily sprung gun is set up for (possibly loaded in the gun unintentionally) causing failure to extract or eject, barrel feet and slide stop having to absorb an extra beating, etc. Over a period of many years and many thousands of rounds fired through major manufacturers' pistols, I have not experienced any frame or slide cracking with steel framed 1911 type pistols regardless of caliber, load or recoil spring weight.The ammo used included my own heavy reloads, and factory standard, +P and +P+ ammo. I mean no offense in posting this, just sharing my, and others, experience with 20# and heavier recoil springs in full sized 1911 type pistols chambered in .45 ACP...ymmv
 
#60 ·
Mom's basement?

I've met quite a few guys who have bought a gun or two, sent 2000 rds downrange, read the internet (or just a tiny portion of it) and have made themselves instant experts.

I shoot 10X that in a year and I just keep on learning. I try not to deal in absolutes because I'm finding out there aren't any.
 
#63 ·
I took a 1 day 1911 "essentials" class with John Jardine. He was adamant about a 18.5# spring. He got his start smithing by making leather recoil washers in his uncles shop. His uncle was Armand Swenson.