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Commander length 10mm's

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Normally I'm packing a 45. However, not too long ago I purchased a RIA 10mm HC in 10mm.
I'm really liking the 10mm so I want one in a single stack. The 10 really should have a full size with a 5" bbl in my mind. Not very many mfg make a Commander size in 10mm. Why is that? Hard to make work? I realize the 4.25 is not optimal for this cartridge and more than likely a full size is what I will end up with but the commander size is interesting.
The only reason I would consider this size is occasional carry. I use a 10mm normally on 4 legged varmints and appreciate the ballistics for that purpose.
Input anyone? In a 1911. No others may apply.:)
 
#3 ·
I have several 10mm pistols. The smallest is a Glock 29, listed by Glock as a Sub-Compact. I have a Colt 1st Generation Delta Elite; selling the 2nd Generation Delta Elite for a nice little profit. The other two 10s I have are a Rock Island Full-Sized 10 and a railed Commander sized gun. I have never shot the full-sized Rock Island; the first time to the range with the Commander one of the ejector legs broke off flush with the frame. Rock Island sent me an RMA and sent me a new gun! The new gun has been flawless since I received it.

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#4 ·
The whole point of 10mm is velocity, so why put it in a gun with a short barrel?
If you try to get the velocity up by loading extra hot, you then have to deal with the additional recoil and muzzle blast, while your gun has to deal with trying to slow a slide with shorter stroke and really heavy springs, which does nothing good for function.
 
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Normally I'm packing a 45. However, not too long ago I purchased a RIA 10mm HC in 10mm.
I'm really liking the 10mm so I want one in a single stack. The 10 really should have a full size with a 5" bbl in my mind. Not very many mfg make a Commander size in 10mm. Why is that? Hard to make work? I realize the 4.25 is not optimal for this cartridge and more than likely a full size is what I will end up with but the commander size is interesting.
The only reason I would consider this size is occasional carry. I use a 10mm normally on 4 legged varmints and appreciate the ballistics for that purpose.
Input anyone? In a 1911. No others may apply.:)
Does your Rock 10mm have a ramped barrel? If not, get a Commander length slide, and a Commander length barrel, and put a new top end on it. I would say go with a Rock slide, but many of them now are going with a bull barrel. I've found that many RIA 9mm slides have a 10mm breech face. Get a stainless steel Commander length 10mm barrel from Numrich. Its unramped, but a very good value($102). It will need to be finish reamed. I have several, in both 5" and 4 1/4". If you need a ramped barrel, RemSport has ramped barrels in 40S&W.($110) Simple matter to ream it to the correct length. Your Full Sized RIA frame should have Commander length rails, so it should be a simple matter to switch slides. Though the dust cover will extend past the near end of the spring tunnel by about 3/16". If you don't trim the extra length off, you won't have a gap if you put the FS slide back on.
I’ve got a Detonics frame and I’ve put a Commander slide with 10mm barrel on it to see how it worked. Ran fine, even with hot Underwood ammo. I just decided that I didn’t need that combo.


Numrich 10mm Commander barrel.


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#8 ·
4" or 4 1/4" length 1911 is my favorite barrel length in a 1911 because it fits my hand like a glove. As for 1911's, I used to own several 1911's in .45 ACP and sold them all off when I switched over to the ballistically more effective 10mm cartridge. I have one 4 1/4" 1911 in 10mm, my Dan Wesson stainless steel Specialist Commander that I had special ordered through Dan Wesson. At first the slide locked onto the frame when I first shot it. I sent it back to DW at their full expense and they polished the rails and fixed that problem within 2 weeks. Then the slide didn't fully go into battery when I fired it. I took it home and disassembled it and found that they had packed the extractor channel with some kind of thick, brown grease (I'm guessing a shipping grease of some kind) as well as the firing pin channel. Both the firing pin and the extractor were caked with this grease. Once I cleaned it all off and lubricated it, it's been 100% reliable with all 10mm cartridges that I have fired through it. It's my main EDC pistol. Though, I do rotate EDC with my .357 magnum revolvers. My EDC cartridge are 10mm 140 gr Underwood Xtreme Penetrator Ammo with copper bullets at 1,500 fps and 700 ft lbs.

When I retired 8 years ago I bought my NHC 10mm (above my DW 10mm) and carried it for my EDC. Later I ordered the DW 10mm and it has become my EDC because it feels and handles better for me with the shorter barrel.
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I have a S&W model 1066 which is a Commander sized gun. It shoots fine but the Muzzle blast and recoil are a bit much. I prefer at least a five inch gun for full house 10mm rounds.
 
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10mm isn't anywhere near as popular as 45 so there are less 10mm 1911 in general. 10mm can also be really hard on a guns system and shortening it makes it worse
The slide is moving much faster on a 10mm, harder to make a 10mm work well than a 45, from what I've heard at least
And 10mm really benefits from a long barrel, a few companies do make 10mm commanders. Fusion Firearms, RIA, tisas used to, its still on their website IIRC, also eaa girsan makes one, a couple others that I can't recall

I'm building a 10mm government as my first gun build, and one of the things people recommend is the oversized egw firing pin stop, supposed to help with the recoil and the force
 
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That looks fantastic! I just bought the Specialist to keep my Specialist Commander company. Now, I may have to find the money to buy this one. Like Pringles, you just can't stop at one. Well, maybe not. It doesn't have a light rail or magwell. Dang it!
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#13 ·
The whole point of 10mm is velocity, so why put it in a gun with a short barrel?
If you try to get the velocity up by loading extra hot, you then have to deal with the additional recoil and muzzle blast, while your gun has to deal with trying to slow a slide with shorter stroke and really heavy springs, which does nothing good for function.
10mm isn't anywhere near as popular as 45 so there are less 10mm 1911 in general. 10mm can also be really hard on a guns system and shortening it makes it worse
The slide is moving much faster on a 10mm, harder to make a 10mm work well than a 45, from what I've heard at least
And 10mm really benefits from a long barrel, a few companies do make 10mm commanders. Fusion Firearms, RIA, tisas used to, its still on their website IIRC, also eaa girsan makes one, a couple others that I can't recall

I'm building a 10mm government as my first gun build, and one of the things people recommend is the oversized egw firing pin stop, supposed to help with the recoil and the force
This is what I was after.
 
#15 ·
Ballistics, wear on the pistol, and muzzle blast. For me, a full size makes more sense in a 10mm. I have a Commander size in 45 which I love.
I appreciate the input guys. Full size it will be. Never had a 10mm until recently but I sure like the cartridge.
 
#18 ·
A 10mm Commander would be cool, but I'd shoot only "FBI Lite" loads in it, there's nothing wrong with that for two-legged varmints, as 10mm was conceived as a 21st century replacement for .45 ACP as a service pistol cartridge, and not as a near-magnum hunting or bragging round.
FBI's performance protocols are what every ammo maker is using as a target, and it was the FBI who determined the "Lite" passes those tests.
 
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I have 2 Commander 10's. An RIA and a Ruger from their custom shop. The RIA is a range gun only because it just hasn't proven itself reliable. The Ruger on the other hand gobbles up everything I put down the pipe.
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some years ago bart skelton ordered a commander 10mm from nighthawk. he wrote one article on it for shooting times (iirc). i started with a home made 5" then went to the 6". carry in a chest holster. obviously a woods gun. as gearheadesw mentioned, its a good idea to chrono your loads. 10mm ammo seems to be quite accurate.
 
#26 ·
I have become very fond of the 10mm caliber and would love to have a commander sized 1911. Just like USMM guy I have a Smith and Wesson 1066. It is a very accurate and dependable shooter. I came across it at a gunshow and have never regretted buying it, but it is not my beloved 1911. As I said it is accurate and here is a 25yd target.
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#27 ·
I picked up a Nighthawk Falcon 5" 10mm to replace my Glock 20 as my 'outdoors' pistol. I carry OWB when hiking, fishing, etc. Thinking I'd like to downsize a lilttle, I scored a gorgeous Nighthawk Classic Commander in 10mm. Love shooting both of them, but in all honesty I can't tell the difference in carrying them the way I use and carry them, so end up packing the 5" gun most of the time.
Adore the 10mm cartridge though, started with the original Delta back in the 80's. Went to Glock 20 and 29 and never enjoyed shooting them honestly, so I'm back home now with 1911's.
 
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My G29 is a small frame, with the 10 round flush magazine, my little finger isn’t on the grip at all, I definitely know when I pulled the trigger, I bought 15 round magazines with the pinky grip cover, the helps a lot. It’s a touch to big for pocket carry, just barely, but it’s width prints bad in my shorts pockets.
 
#31 ·
The only reason I would consider this size is occasional carry. I use a 10mm normally on 4 legged varmints and appreciate the ballistics for that purpose.
Input anyone? In a 1911. No others may apply.:)
I have just finished this 5" in 10mm...Bear Gun. Next on the Bench is a 10mm in 4.25"...I'm loving the Round on the Range... Off to Cerakote next Month.
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