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Fitting a 1911 sear spring

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#1 ·
This post is not meant to address all aspects of performing a full trigger job. It is focused on setting up the sear spring to function correctly and safely.

I N T R O D U C T I O N

The sear spring serves multiple roles in the functioning of the 1911. .The original JMB design of the sear spring has three tines/leafs/fingers but there are some later designs that have four. .I will only consider the original design here. .I'm unaware of any official terminology to describe the three parts that apply force to the various fire control parts. I will use the term "tine" here.

Below is a drawing of an EGW sear spring. .Note that EGW designs its sear spring with a relief machined into the left tine to prevent contact with the frame. .If your sear spring doesn't have this relief and you're skilled with files, you can create one. ."Do not make a square inside corner. .Note that quality sear springs have a radius at the inside corners of the cuts. .Use a round needle file to start at the base of the tine, then transition to a flat file to finish the relief. .Make your strokes lengthwise and finish with sandpaper or a stone." - @BBBBill

It does not always happen but if the left tine gets hung up on the frame it will not apply force against the sear which can result in it not engaging the hammer which means the pistol will not fire.
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In addition to creating a relief on the left tine you should also remove the sharp edge often found on the middle tine. .That 90° corner (thin orange line) will damage the disconnector's ramp (yellow area) as the disconnector moves up and down. .It can actually wear a gouge in the disconnector that will prevent it from moving and will cause malfunctions.
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Below are pictures identifying the fire control parts that depend on the sear spring for proper functioning. .In the pictures you can see the trigger bow does not contact the sear spring. .Instead, the sear spring pushes on the disconnector which, in turn, pushes against the trigger bow.

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Now we add the sear spring to the pistol and hold it in place with the mainspring housing. .You can see how the left tine rests on the sear and how the middle tine rests on the disconnector. .The right tine controls the grip safety. .If the right tine doesn't apply enough force to the grip safety, the grip safety may not fulfill its job of blocking unintentional movement of the sear which is potentially dangerous.

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T U N I N G

Next is how to tune each tine of the sear spring for proper and safe functioning of the fire control parts.

There are several ways to go about tuning the sear spring. .Here's the easiest and most foolproof way I've found.

Remove the grip safety and the thumb safety. .Leave the hammer, leaf spring, and all other parts in the pistol. .Do not remove the slide. .Leave the hammer strut hanging freely outside the frame. .Fully seat the mainspring housing to retain the sear spring properly. .Don't bother reinserting the mainspring housing pin until the tuning is finished.

Setting the middle tine (disconnector)

Thumb cock the hammer. .Rotate the hammer strut up against the hammer and apply a little upward pressure to keep the sear and hammer engaged.

Hold the pistol with the muzzle resting on the work bench with the palm of your weak hand over the top of the slide and the thumb holding the hammer strut up against the hammer.

Engage the trigger with the trigger pull gauge. .While observing the disconnector pull the trigger gauge upward until the disconnector moves upward. .Don't pull it upward so much that it releases the sear. .Ideally, the trigger gauge will read 16oz (1lb). .Usually more than that is unnecessary so you can bend the middle tine backwards bit by bit until you get the 16oz reading. .If the gauge reads less than 16oz, bend the middle tine forward bit by bit until you get the 16oz reading. .Once you've achieved the 16oz tension on the middle tine, you're done and can move on to the left tine.

To bend a tine remove the sear spring first. Then hold the spring using the thumb and forefinger of your your weak hand about a finger's width above the the point where the tines merge into the main base of the sear spring. Use your strong hand thumb and forefinger to bend just the specific tine you're working on. You do not want to create a hard bend in the tine, just a gentle curve. Exactly how much to bend a tine is unknowable ahead of time. It is all trial and error.

Here are a couple of pics showing how I hold the pistol as described above. .Although you can't see it I'm holding the trigger pull gauge with my right hand.

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Setting the left tine (sear)

The next step will likely require very good illumination and the use of a magnifier (I use a 10x jewelers loupe). .Pull the trigger and push the hammer fully forward against the firing pin stop. .Then while observing the left tine and sear slowly pull the hammer back until it engages with the half cock notch. .You want to see the left tine maintaining contact with the sear leg. .If it does not maintain contact, bend the left tine forward bit by bit until contact is established with the sear leg when the hammer is at the half cock position. .There is no specific weight requirement. .All you need is just enough pressure to keep the left tine in contact with the sear leg when the hammer is at half cock. .Very little pressure is needed.

How much is very little? It depends on what you want the final trigger pull weight to be. A good place to start is 8oz then reassemble the pistol and pull the trigger enough times to determine if it suits you. Rather than trying to measure the weight of the left tine by itself simply pull the trigger back until both the disconnector and sear move. If you know the disconnector tine is 16oz and the total of both tines is 24oz then the sear tine is 8oz.

Better yet is to live fire test the pistol. I do not try to hit a specific trigger pull weight. I want to be confident that the pistol will only fire when I want it to. I'm not a high-speed, low-drag, super-ninja national champion level competitor and while I've tweaked a couple of 1911s to have safe 2lb trigger pulls they did not suit me at all and I reset them to something noticeably heavier. Just because it's 2lbs doesn't make it a nice trigger. A nice trigger is much more than just sear spring tension.

The feel of the trigger is much more important than hitting a specific number. A correctly fit hammer/sear will feel much lighter than it measures on a scale.

Setting the right tine (grip safety)

This is accomplished in the same way as the first two: bend bit by bit until you like the way the grip safety feels. .As with the left tine, there is no specific weight requirement. .I prefer my grip safeties to be quite firmly pushed outward so I bend the right tine to achieve that.

Testing for hammer follow

After all three tines have been adjusted you should run the hammer follow test. .We've all had the mantra "Never drop the slide on an empty chamber" drummed into our heads. .I cringe even writing the words. .Here's the exception. .With the pistol now fully assembled and unloaded lock the slide open then push down the slide stop suddenly allowing the slide to move forward as fast as the recoil spring will push it.

Repeat this three or four times. .If the hammer does follow, even once, you've got a problem to solve. .Check that the middle tine does, in fact, have 16oz of tension on it and check that the sear makes firm contact with the hammer at the half cock position. .If both of these are good, it's time to take a close look at the sear/hammer contact surfaces. .There are other possibilities but they are outside the scope of this post.

These two YouTube videos may be helpful to you. You may well hear contrary opinions in these. Keep in mind that my objective is to create a sear spring that is reliable and safe in all scenarios, not to make a race gun.


 
#32 ·
Steve's extractor thread is the reason I started working on my own pistols - and got hooked. Plus the massive amount of truly expert guidance from others here.

Thank you!
Yes, if Steve had a fan club, you know a 1911 influencer channel, I would buy his T shirt. Actually I would Steve, thanks for what you do. Of course there are others, Steve just has that fancy name.
 
#33 ·
As Steve notes...how does the trigger FEEL? When doing an actual "trigger job" where the sear primary and/or secondary is cut, that will change the pull due to the way the sear and hammer hooks interact. Regardless of actual pull weight, the FEEL of the pull and especially at the break is important. You can have a 5lb pull that feels much better than a 3.5-4 lb pull - once you get the feel right, the sear spring is another tool in the box. I did a 2lb trigger for fun, it was safe, crisp, but....far too light. 3.5 is my low end and 4 or 4.25 my high end for carry, higher end is probably better.
 
#34 ·
“… Just because it's 2lbs doesn't make it a nice trigger. A nice trigger is much more than just sear spring tension…”

Totally agree. I find my trigger finger has to work harder with a lighter trigger, whereas one in the 3-3.5# range gives a quicker and more positive return. The slight boost I get as I return my finger for the next trigger press is helpful.
 
#39 ·
I also like a firm grip safety and added quite a bit of arch to my leaf springs for it.

A trigger pull scale is vital for this tailoring of your leaf spring. I got one off Amazon for $20 that is more than accurate enough to do this job. The calibrated finger is hardly as calibrated as the individual thinks it is.

I had speculated about spring pressure on the Sear and trigger pull weight, and was told you only adjust trigger pull weight by the center tine for the disconnector. Which, pulling the trigger moves the disconnector and the center tine of the spring back.

So on my 80% frame builds (2 of them), I test fired them without checking my trigger pull or the leaf spring, other than arching the tine for the grip safety to my taste. So when I got a trigger pull scale to my surprise I got trigger pulls of 9lbs.

I had used Wilson Combat Bullet Proof Sear Springs, and in Wilson Combat's defense they do make it clear their parts require fitting.

But even after arching my center tine far enough back it would lose contact with the disconnector through some of the travel, I was still over 5.5-6 lbs for trigger pull. It was not until I reduced my sear spring tine, arched back, and by a lot was I able to achieve my favored 4.5 lb trigger pull with the center tine staying within contact of the disconnector the entire time.

If I had this guide to read while I adjusted the arch on Sear Tine, I didn't do all the checks in Steve's guide, but I did all the function checks for the Sear/Hammer that I could imagine, cause loosening up the pressure on the sear worried me, could the hammer slip off the sear? But I have shot several hundreds rounds through each, and have yet to have any malfunction or hammer following.

Go with Steve's advice over mine, but from what I have seen in my limited experience, you adjust trigger pull weight by the center tine, BUT, if you have excessive spring force on the Sear it will feed into the trigger pull weight as well and increase the trigger pull weight (the trigger does move the sear), so you need to adjust the sear spring tine, at least to a reasonable amount of force to get a good trigger pull weight.
 
#42 ·
One thing I appreciate is a really good hammer-sear interface along with nearly perfectly parallel sear and hammer pins, resulting in no perceptible creep. When there is only a tiny bit of creep, I find it easier to see than to feel. I watch the trigger shoe from the side as I apply steady pressure after the “wall” is felt. If I see any movement before the hammer falls, there is creep. I consider a 2-1/2 lb trigger with no creep to be better than a 1-3/4 lb trigger with a tiny amount of creep. Not that it really matters if the guns are reliable.
 
#43 ·
Call me overly safety minded, or perhaps my shooting skill really can't make use of less than 4.5lbs, so 4.5 lbs is the sweet spot for me.
So my personal choice, I don't think I can put more rounds inside the center ring with less than 4 lbs, thus I'd prefer the safety of a little heavier trigger.

But, even up at 4.5 lbs, shorter throws and resets, with a crisp break makes for better shooting and just a more enjoyable experience with the pistol.
 
#44 ·
I have never measured the sear spring weights. I set the tines by feel. You can tell if one is too far away from the other by the way the trigger feels. There is a balance that "feels right" once I reach my desired trigger weight, and confirmed by dry firing and then live fire.

But the little details like radiusing the sharp edges of the sear leafs, lightly polishing with 1000gr the contact surfaces where the spring touches and all contact parts of the trigger - they all add up for a distinctly smoother/crisper trigger setup.

I am very comfortable at 3.5# and a very distinct wall. I ran 2.5# for a bit for target shooting, but to be honest that's just too light for anything else. I prefer no roll.

Where can I buy the @Steve in Allentown t-shirts? :D
 
#45 ·
I've done dozens of trigger jobs all exactly the same way as your tutorial but from a different source. I also have 5 very specific stones to perform specific jobs. The result is always a smooth, crisp trigger/hammer release. They all break at 3.5 pounds unless someone requests a heavier trigger press. People asking for a 2.5# trigger break leave smiling not knowing they actually have a crisp 3.5 # trigger ! :)
 
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#49 · (Edited)
Thank you for the good info.
I purchased a girsan 2311 type 6" pistol in 10mm with the heaviest pull ever.
Found out the the hammer strut was in contact with this spring. ( rough stamped and loosy goosy)
Well I fixed that issue.

But then I was eyeballing this spring setup.
I just didn't want to go hacking on the factory spring until I found the right guide or got in a new spring.
So I have a Wolf brand spring to try now.:geek:


Eta: Question. How far up the disconnector should the spring go?
After installing it, mine seems to go quit a bit up the disco.
It functions like it should though.
Good enough?
 
#50 ·
A mainspring is cheap, even for a high quality one... having a replacement on hand in case you good it all up, sure that is smart...
I start with the blueprint measurements, cause I have seen Wilson Combat Bullet Proof Mainspring come with more arch than the blueprint (they do say it requires fitment).
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Where the sear tab rests on the Sear?
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On mine, they rest about there are a little higher, like 3/4 of the way up. I "would think" the only problem would be is if the spring tab was all the way up and butting up against the ledge at the top of the feet, or if it was near the very bottom where the tab could slip off the end of the sear.

I'm not a gunsmith, nor do I have the experience of a lot of folks on this forum, so take it with a grain of salt...
 
#52 ·
This is the best write up i have ever seen for the seer spring and it details everything it took me many years it took me to learn by trial&error. I wish I had this 20 years ago it would have saved me so many hours of swearing, taking apart, putting together, taking apart, readjusting, repeat. This could take me a couple weeks to correct when I first started out.
Now, those egw springs are really nice, don't cost allot, and most of the time only need minor tuning for me to get my 4.5# trigger pull that i prefer. I like to take apart and polish all the internals, slide, trigger, and hammer after running about 50 rounds through it. Not to mention disassembly and polish/ tuning of all mags. It's my favorite thing to do.