They are the same.

 

Vell, in Chermany they are.

 

Vell, in Chermany they are.
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Sorry already posted about my Italian '34 Beretta .380
'Corto / Short .

What gets confusing , most of the 9mm bullet diameters 9x19 / 9x21 / 9x23 are exactly the same , all except for the 9X18 Makarov . This one being a bit larger in diameter [ .361 - ] Mostly European design Semi's .

 

Kurz is German for "short."

 

380 Auto AKA: 9x17mm, 9mm Browning, 9mm Corto, 9mm Kurtz, 9mm Short, & 9mm Browning Cort.

 

380 Auto AKA: 9x17mm, 9mm Browning, 9mm Corto, 9mm Kurtz, 9mm Short, & 9mm Browning Cort.

9mm Browning is not the same as .380 acp/9mm Kurz.

 

The guy on Legacy Collectibles YT channel drives me nuts every time he shows off a Walther PPK and calls it a 9mm. He makes it sound like it's a 9mm Parabellum. They call it 9mm Kurz in Europe but here in the USA it's always been .380 ACP since that's what John Browning (the caliber's inventor) called it.

 

In my experience, you can rely on a .380 Walther to shoot at least once, so aim straight

But yeah, "Kurz" is "short" in German. It's mostly a 9mm short, but not quite. The 9mm case is slightly tapered, lending to its reliability. The .380 case is straight.

 

I just have to have a PPK… my cousin James carried one when he worked for the British secret service. And that’s a PPK not a PPK/s, and in black not stainless steel. And chambered in .32 cal. Just have to.

 

Bond used a .32 PPK in the early films, but more recent ones it is referred to as a .380 by Q. With ball ammo there is very little difference in stopping power (or lack thereof) between a .32 and .380, and you get less recoil and an extra round with the .32ACP.

Of course never forget that with movie magic Bond's PPK has often morphed into a PPK/S, and full-sized PP, and even a 1911 on one occasion.

 

He even briefly helped debut the Walther P5 in Octopussy. It's basically a shortened P38 with a novel decocker/slide release mechanism. It may not be the best 9mm, but I love it. It's just a good-looking pistol, and it works.

 

380 and 9mm Kurtz ARE NOT THE SAME!

9mm parabullum is 9x19
9mm Kurtz is 9x18
380 is 9x17

The 9 Kurtz is more snappy (powerful) and also, as ether said:
“The 9mm case is slightly tapered, lending to its reliability. The .380 case is straight.

You can shoot a 380 in a 9kurtz, but not a 9kurtz in a 380, if I remember correctly the 9Kurtz is slightly larger in diameter than the 380(you need a micrometer to see the difference) and because the 380 is smaller, you give up some accuracy … like shooting a 22lr conversion in a 223 barrel.

It works, but it ain’t right.

 

380 and 9mm Kurtz ARE NOT THE SAME!

9mm parabullum is 9x19
9mm Kurtz is 9x18
380 is 9x17

The 9 Kurtz is more snappy (powerful) and also, as ether said:
“The 9mm case is slightly tapered, lending to its reliability. The .380 case is straight.

You can shoot a 380 in a 9kurtz, but not a 9kurtz in a 380, if I remember correctly the 9Kurtz is slightly larger in diameter than the 380(you need a micrometer to see the difference) and because the 380 is smaller, you give up some accuracy … like shooting a 22lr conversion in a 223 barrel.

It works, but it ain’t right.

Believe the 9mm x 18 is the Makarov round...not the kurtz.

 

Kurz sounds nicer than neutered.

 

From someone that had an older PPK… (in the 1980s). Don’t be in a hurry to get one. The slides will bite you.

 

Yeah, my .380 PPK/S bites me. I woudn't even g.a.f. if I could count on it to reliably extract and eject.

 

Get a Colt Government .380...

 

I own a PP in 7.65 made in Germany, as all the German pistols of that era its a blued gun. I have owned it for over 35 years, never had ANY malfunction of any kind ever or slide bite. It shoots where aimed.......PP stands for Police Pistol, so its a tad longer than the others of this type.
I now everyday carry a H&K P7 a never Police Pistol variant.
Yeas I often carry 1911s, a Colt Combat Elite (5 inch) and a Springfield Ulta Compact (3 1/2inch)
Recently added a Glock 19 to my carry pistols......yep I'm slow to change.

I love my little PP........works great!

 

Assuming Wikipedia can be trusted:

Synonyms:

• United States — .380 Auto / .380 ACP / 9x17mm / 9mm Short / 9mm Browning Short
• Spanish and Italian — 9mm Corto / 9mm Short
• French — 9mm Court / 9mm Short
• Portuguese — 9mm Curto / 9mm Short
• Dutch — 9mm Kort / 9mm Short
• Bosnian — 9mm Kratak / 9mm Short
• Serbian, Croatian, and Slovenian — 9mm Kratak / 9mm short / Kratka 9 (Kratka Devetka) / Short 9 (Short Nine)
• Bulgarian and Macedonian — 9mm Kas / 9mm Short
• German — 9mm Kurz / 9mm Short
• Romanian — 9mm Scurt / 9mm Short
• United Kingdom — 9mm Browning / 9mm Browning Short / 9mm Short

 

9mm Browning is a much longer cartridge (9X20mm SR) that was developed for the FN Browning 1903 pistol. The cartridge generally featured 110 gr. bullet at over 1000 fps. It was a moderately successful pistol (adopted by Sweden and produced by them as well), but not the huge seller that other Browning pistols had been. The FN 1903 was a much larger version of the Colt 1903 that came out in America the same year. In 1908, Colt introduced the .380 ACP version of that pistol in 1908. FN introduced their version in a new, more compact pistol (another Browning design)- the FN 1910, which could be chambered in both .32 ACP and .380 ACP (called by the name of the country in which they were being marketed, of course.

With all the translated names and marketing terms flying around the various European languages, it's not surprising that there has been some confusion. FN traded heavily on the Browning name, of course.

 

9mm Browning is a much longer cartridge (9X20mm SR) that was developed for the FN Browning 1903 pistol.

That is the 9mm Browning Long, not the 9mm Browning Short.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9mm_Browning_Long

 

Oh, just chuck them in yer favorite 9mm and go! ;-)

 

I can't believe this thread made it to 2 pages. The question was simple enough. 9mm Kurz is a .380 ACP. And it is totally and completely unrelated to the 9mm Luger/Parabellum OR the 9x18 Makarov, other than the 9mm bullet diameter.

 

LOL I just wondered how many ways you can say the same thing......a simple YES would have sufficed. But nooooo!!! It has been interesting to read all the responses.

 

Hey, I tried a simple "yes", in #2.

 

LOL I know you did..... then it grew a life of its own.....

 

Don't even try and understand why cartridges got there names. And the 9mm, 38 special, 357, 380, 38Super and a whole bunch of 9mm's are all basically the same. Well not really but they were all ABOUT the same size case. None are a 38 or 9mm bullet. A 44 isn't a 44 ( 429 ) however a 40 is a 40 and a 45 is a 45, well maybe a hair larger but close, 452. A 41 magnum is a 41, I really like those. And some like a 45-70 refers to how much black powder they would hold but a 38-40 is actually a 40 caliber. Confused yet, me to!

 

Some were measured at the case mouth and then named. Don't ask me why because I don't know.

What's so "Special" about .38? I don't know that, either. I'd rather have a .357 Magnum. But, .38 was measured at the mouth of the case.

 

It's even worse with 41/44 and 22/6mm/257

 

Yep, and a 9mm is just .380 converted to metric = 9mm. And then we have rimed, rimless, straight wall and tapered cases. The one consistent thing is that the 38/9mm bullet was thought to be the perfect size by an awful lot of engineers. Since we are on the subject, the 36Navy [ wild bill Hickock's favorite 6 shooter] wasn't a 36 caliber either. Nope, another 38!!! I have read that the 36Navy was about equal to today's 380 but I doubt that's correct. He did after all kill a man in Springfield Mo. with 1 shot at a reported 75 yards.

 

9mm is more like .355 when we're comparing bullets. You write like a madman.

 

I had an American made, stainless steel Walther PPK/s back in the late 80's. It was surprisingly accurate for a small pistol because of the fixed barrel. And, I never experienced this so-called trigger bite that many people complain of. I have medium/large sized hands, not the XXXL Sasquatch mitts that people that experience trigger bite must have to experience this. For the short time that I had it, I didn't experience any reliability issues, even with hollow points.

The two things that I didn't like about it were the lousy caliber (.380) and the incredibly stiff, super long, and heavy trigger pull (must have been at least 10 lbs) on D/A. The only other pistol that I have ever handled that had a heavier (totally useless) trigger pull was an HK VP70z. I was thinking about using the Walther PPK/s as a back up pistol. But, because of the inferior caliber and especially that ridiculous trigger pull, I sold it.

If Op really wants a back up pistol, there are much better options, like the Bond Arms 9mm or .45 ACP Bullpup9. Plus, it doesn't make any sense that if Op wants a Walther for a "boot gun" that he wouldn't pick the shorter barrel, more concealable PPK/s instead of the PPK.

 

Those triggers come from the factory closer to 14-17 pounds double action. You cannot safely go to the lighter Wolf springs, tried that on two different ones, one by Interarms, the other what they sell now, made in Arkansas. I agree with you, a 380 such a the new Ruger LCP Maxx is a much better choice. I will always jeep mine just for the cool factor, but they are a poor choice if you are going into a shooting event. IMHO

 

I am one of those reloaders of ammo. But I also have owned and carried the PPKs stainless as a back up in law enforcement, as an off duty gun and for personal CCW carry. I also own and have carried a 32 acp as back up. My comment:

Boot carry is a lowsey way to carry, way too slow if you need it quick, you have to stoop or bend over or lay down. Good way to get kicked in the face. Same with ankle carry, I have done them all when undercover. More gimmick and Bond like that realistic. But if your plan is just for the look, go for it. Put some fake ivory grips on it too, they are cool and people will think you are rich. They look good with the fake Rolex too, but I jest a bit too much.

The PPKs is way too heavy compared to all the plastic guns in 380 usually weighs twice as much. Love mine but it is never my first choice for carry.


Gunbroker is being stupid to list it as a 9mm Kutz, we are in Merica, it is a 380. Here is a pic of mine, the bottom is 380, the suppressed is the 22. The 22 is incredibly accurate by the way. If you just want the look, they are great and weigh
much less, and cost half as much, the weight matters

especially if you are going to use a boot as a holster. Let us know what you do, and pictures are good.

I have by the way killed one deer with a broken leg on the highway, a racoon fighting my dog and lots of snakes and skunks with that gun, now I use the suppressed 22 PPKs-22 for that, but the 380 sure works great for that.

 

My American .380 PPK/S has a great trigger. I just wouldn't ever bet my life on it because I can't make it work. S&W couldn't either when they were in charge of them....and then dropped them...wonder why.