[John Wick]

Dear re-loaders of ammo,
I am looking to purchasing a Walthers PPK, you know... something good to put in my boot.
I came across one on GunBroker which info that said it uses 9mm Kurz. And I said, "Whaaa"?
I know I can Google this and get maybe an expeditious answer, but I trust the pros on this forum more.
So what is the word. Same thing with different title, or a slight difference that I would be better off using one over the other.
Signed,
Dazed and Confused

 

[longarm]

They are the same.

 

[Jim Watson]

Vell, in Chermany they are.

 

[ohioup]

Kurz is German for "short."

 

[Schlitz 45]

380 Auto AKA: 9x17mm, 9mm Browning, 9mm Corto, 9mm Kurtz, 9mm Short, & 9mm Browning Cort.

 

[dsk]

The guy on Legacy Collectibles YT channel drives me nuts every time he shows off a Walther PPK and calls it a 9mm. He makes it sound like it's a 9mm Parabellum. They call it 9mm Kurz in Europe but here in the USA it's always been .380 ACP since that's what John Browning (the caliber's inventor) called it.

 

[ether]

Dear re-loaders of ammo,
I am looking to purchasing a Walthers PPK, you know... something good to put in my boot.
I came across one on GunBroker which info that said it uses 9mm Kurz. And I said, "Whaaa"?
I know I can Google this and get maybe an expeditious answer, but I trust the pros on this forum more.
So what is the word. Same thing with different title, or a slight difference that I would be better off using one over the other.
Signed,
Dazed and Confused

In my experience, you can rely on a .380 Walther to shoot at least once, so aim straight

But yeah, "Kurz" is "short" in German. It's mostly a 9mm short, but not quite. The 9mm case is slightly tapered, lending to its reliability. The .380 case is straight.

 

[John Wick]

In my experience, you can rely on a .380 Walther to shoot at least once, so aim straight

But yeah, "Kurz" is "short" in German. It's mostly a 9mm short, but not quite. The 9mm case is slightly tapered, lending to its reliability. The .380 case is straight.

I just have to have a PPK… my cousin James carried one when he worked for the British secret service. And that’s a PPK not a PPK/s, and in black not stainless steel. And chambered in .32 cal. Just have to.

 

[DT Guy]

In my experience, you can rely on a .380 Walther to shoot at least once, so aim straight

But yeah, "Kurz" is "short" in German. It's mostly a 9mm short, but not quite. The 9mm case is slightly tapered, lending to its reliability. The .380 case is straight.

My experience (with two examples of blued Manuhurin-manufactured) PP's in .32 was that they were reliable, but after the first two or three rounds the slide bite would really start to get a groove going, and your trigger finger would be so pumped from the 30# (an exaggeration, but not enough of one to be actually funny) pull you'd surrender to your fate and look for an E-tool to continue the fight.

Larry

 

[ether]

I just have to have a PPK… my cousin James carried one when he worked for the British secret service. And that’s a PPK not a PPK/s, and in black not stainless steel. Just have to.

Was it a .380? And was his last name "Bond"?

I'd trust a PPK .32 more, but I've never shot one.

 

[John Wick]

Was it a .380? And was his last name "Bond"?

I'd trust a PPK .32 more, but I've never shot one.

Yes James shot a .32….

 

[dsk]

Bond used a .32 PPK in the early films, but more recent ones it is referred to as a .380 by Q. With ball ammo there is very little difference in stopping power (or lack thereof) between a .32 and .380, and you get less recoil and an extra round with the .32ACP.

Of course never forget that with movie magic Bond's PPK has often morphed into a PPK/S, and full-sized PP, and even a 1911 on one occasion.

 

[tbozz]

380 and 9mm Kurtz ARE NOT THE SAME!

9mm parabullum is 9x19
9mm Kurtz is 9x18
380 is 9x17

The 9 Kurtz is more snappy (powerful) and also, as ether said:
“The 9mm case is slightly tapered, lending to its reliability. The .380 case is straight.

You can shoot a 380 in a 9kurtz, but not a 9kurtz in a 380, if I remember correctly the 9Kurtz is slightly larger in diameter than the 380(you need a micrometer to see the difference) and because the 380 is smaller, you give up some accuracy … like shooting a 22lr conversion in a 223 barrel.

It works, but it ain’t right.

 

[leverite]

380 and 9mm Kurtz ARE NOT THE SAME!

9mm parabullum is 9x19
9mm Kurtz is 9x18
380 is 9x17

The 9 Kurtz is more snappy (powerful) and also, as ether said:
“The 9mm case is slightly tapered, lending to its reliability. The .380 case is straight.

You can shoot a 380 in a 9kurtz, but not a 9kurtz in a 380, if I remember correctly the 9Kurtz is slightly larger in diameter than the 380(you need a micrometer to see the difference) and because the 380 is smaller, you give up some accuracy … like shooting a 22lr conversion in a 223 barrel.

It works, but it ain’t right.

Believe the 9mm x 18 is the Makarov round...not the kurtz.

 

[Doubs43]

380 and 9mm Kurtz ARE NOT THE SAME!

9mm parabullum is 9x19
9mm Kurtz is 9x18
380 is 9x17

You're a bit confused as that is not correct. The .380 ACP, 9mm Kurtz - sometimes written as "kurz" - and 9x17mm ARE all the same; as in identical.

The 9x18mm or 9mm Makarov, a Russian cartridge, is actually a 9.25mm and will not work in a .380 ACP.

 

[CDW4ME]

Kurz sounds nicer than neutered.

 

[ether]

Bond used a .32 PPK in the early films, but more recent ones it is referred to as a .380 by Q. With ball ammo there is very little difference in stopping power (or lack thereof) between a .32 and .380, and you get less recoil and an extra round with the .32ACP.

Of course never forget that with movie magic Bond's PPK has often morphed into a PPK/S, and full-sized PP, and even a 1911 on one occasion.

He even briefly helped debut the Walther P5 in Octopussy. It's basically a shortened P38 with a novel decocker/slide release mechanism. It may not be the best 9mm, but I love it. It's just a good-looking pistol, and it works.

 

[KenBry]

From someone that had an older PPK… (in the 1980s). Don’t be in a hurry to get one. The slides will bite you.

 

[cwo4uscgret]

380 Auto AKA: 9x17mm, 9mm Browning, 9mm Corto, 9mm Kurtz, 9mm Short, & 9mm Browning Cort.

9mm Browning is not the same as .380 acp/9mm Kurz.

 

[ether]

From someone that had an older PPK… (in the 1980s). Don’t be in a hurry to get one. The slides will bite you.

Yeah, my .380 PPK/S bites me. I woudn't even g.a.f. if I could count on it to reliably extract and eject.