Apples to oranges.

10mm is a totally different beast than 45 ACP. I've never felt that the 1911 platform was the ideal 10mm platform. Too many people try and hot rod the cartridge.

Are you are reloader???? You pretty much have to be if you're headed into 10mm land.

 

Yes I handload. Not interested in hot rodding beyond the hot factory loads. I don’t have much use for the hotter loads. It’s going to be a pin and plate gun
I always thought the 10mm was about like 45acp+p or 45 Super.
More interested about the difference in the guns.

 

Of the 3 I’d go with the Springer personally. I don’t like external extractors on 1911’s - that’s me though.

I’ve always been curious and tempted by 10mm but if you’re not already loading for it why add additional costs & time.


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The loaded is a better package as far as features... But I'm a sucker for colts. If I was going to buy a springer, it'd be an operator or such.

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I’ve got an E Series 1911TA, its absolutely reliable and more than accurate enough for pins and steel and I’m very satisfied with it after roughly 11,000 rounds.

The fit and finish is very good and IMO, the large external extractor is an improvement.

But if I were buying today, I would buy the Springfield for the simple reason that S&W chose to use a proprietary site cut.

 

But if I were buying today, I would buy the Springfield for the simple reason that S&W chose to use a proprietary site cut.

That may be true, I don't know. However, Novak says S&W uses genuine Novak sights in their 1911's, while Springfield doesn't.

Sights 101

 

I like the Springfield. How about a Kimber 1911 target 6" 45acp. I have one and is very accurate. Here is a photo.

 

I’d really like a long slide 45 but.
1) more than once I hear of quality control and customer service problems with Kimber.
One gun shop I know refuses to do business with them
2) I’m not seeing any new ones. Don’t know if and when there will be another production run

 

I like the Colt Delta Elite which was acquired brand new. It's been well mannered and hasn't bobbled with any factory load or cast bullet handload I've put through it to date. Not even once. I've only got about 1500 rounds through it to this point. Trigger's smoothed up some, but has never been one of the very best triggers in 1911 guns here. I've not bothered to work it yet.

One single Buffalo Bore 10mm factory load from their catalog, their 220 grain cast bullet load did give swollen case heads. As the similar Underwood 220 grain load didn't have this problem and produced average velocity of only 40 feet per second less I just shrugged and stopped using the Buffalo Bore load. For that matter I like 180 grain jacketed bullet ballistics best.

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I see Underwood uses a coated cast lead 220 grain bullet these days.

The Buffalo Bore 220 grain load gave an average velocity in the 1280 fps range. The Underwood 220 grain load gave an average velocity in the 1240 fps range.

I've only been playing with 10mm since early 2016, but find it's a rewarding cartridge for the 1911 gun. Recoil is much overrated on firearms forums by many as is the 10mm cartridge's power to some extent. 10mm offers a nice choice and a nice change and is easy peasy to feed when handloading, but realistically, I'd not choose 10mm for any handgun chore that I wouldn't be just as happy to use the .45 ACP to accomplish. I just like playing with different cartridges. I don't shoot hunter pistol silhouette competition any more so don't need to flatten the 100 yard rams and that's about the only place I could see where the 10mm would shine, flatter trajectory.

I do carry this pistol afield quite often in hopes of connecting with a hog and it goes to the deer woods during the season in case an opportunity presents itself. I need to dedicate myself to carrying the 10mm only leaving the rifle behind if I really want to collect a deer with the pistol.

Equivalent to the .41 Magnum, the 10mm is emphatically not.


A 10mm chronograph session


Buffalo Bore 220 grain cast lead factory load (top) Underwood 220 grain cast lead factory load (bottom)

That fired Underwood case isn't shaved on that one side. It's just a trick of the light. Should have retaken the photo.

Five Buffalo Bore 220 grain cast lead loads were fired before I gave it up as hopeless.

 

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I like the Colt Delta Elite which was acquired brand new. It's been well mannered and hasn't bobbled with any factory load or cast bullet handload I've put through it to date. Not even once. I've only got about 1500 rounds through it to this point. Trigger's smoothed up some, but has never been one of the very best triggers in 1911 guns here. I've not bothered to work it yet.

One single Buffalo Bore 10mm factory load from their catalog, their 220 grain cast bullet load did give swollen case heads. As the similar Underwood 220 grain load didn't have this problem and produced average velocity of only 40 feet per second less I just shrugged and stopped using the Buffalo Bore load. For that matter I like 180 grain jacketed bullet ballistics best.

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I see Underwood uses a coated cast lead 220 grain bullet these days.

The Buffalo Bore 220 grain load gave an average velocity in the 1280 fps range. The Underwood 220 grain load gave an average velocity in the 1240 fps range.

I've only been playing with 10mm since early 2016, but find it's a rewarding cartridge for the 1911 gun. Recoil is much overrated on firearms forums by many as is the 10mm cartridge's power to some extent. 10mm offers a nice choice and a nice change and is easy peasy to feed when handloading, but realistically, I'd not choose 10mm for any handgun chore that I wouldn't be just as happy to use the .45 ACP to accomplish. I just like playing with different cartridges. I don't shoot hunter pistol silhouette competition any more so don't need to flatten the 100 yard rams and that's about the only place I could see where the 10mm would shine, flatter trajectory.

I do carry this pistol afield quite often in hopes of connecting with a hog and it goes to the deer woods during the season in case an opportunity presents itself. I need to dedicate myself to carrying the 10mm only leaving the rifle behind if I really want to collect a deer with the pistol.

Equivalent to the .41 Magnum, the 10mm is emphatically not.


A 10mm chronograph session


Buffalo Bore 220 grain cast lead factory load (top) Underwood 220 grain cast lead factory load (bottom)

That fired Underwood case isn't shaved on that one side. It's just a trick of the light. Should have retaken the photo.

Five Buffalo Bore 220 grain cast lead loads were fired before I gave it up as hopeless.

is is good information if I ever go 10mm

 

At ~5,000rds, my SW1911PC, an E-series taken through the Performance Center, has yet to experience a malf. The low round count: my EDC doesn't get shot so much as to be worn out when it's suddenly needed.

 

10mm is not a good choice for pins.

Some of your rounds will go straight thru the pin and not take it down, or worse yet, just tip them over and not clear the bench.

Bob

 

For what your stated purpose is I would stick with 45ACP to begin with. Add a 10mm down the road. I have a SA TRP Operator in 10mm and it is an excellent pistol. You could always go on the cheap into 10mm with a Glock 20.

I have a S&W 1911SC, it is an E series. It is one of my favorites. Love it. But for what you asked about, I would choose SA TRP but feel fine with Loaded or a Vickers. I'm biased toward TRP's as the ones I have are of excellent quality and impressively feel much higher end than they are. Run em wet and they just keep going.

 

Thank You Gents. Your opinions are valued.

 

Either of your .45acp candidates would be a good selection. I'll confess a slight partiality towards the S&W, but that's probably due solely to my good S&W experiences. Countless people have also had good experiences with SA.

Do focus on getting the sights that work best for you. That might be the final decision-maker for you.

 

My E Series has been great so far (north of 3000 rounds) not one failure. I won't argue the sights do suck, but it's been 100% reliability wise since new. Springfield makes great stuff also my Ronin runs well. I will say my Colt has been reliable, but fit and finish left a lot to be desired.

 

My E Series has been great so far (north of 3000 rounds) not one failure. I won't argue the sights do suck, but it's been 100% reliability wise since new. Springfield makes great stuff also my Ronin runs well. I will say my Colt has been reliable, but fit and finish left a lot to be desired.
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That is a nice looking pistol.

 

I don't know where I am getting this from, but do you already have a 1911 in 45 ACP? If so, use it for pins and plates, a new special gun isn't required.

 

In fact I do have a MkIV Series 70 from the 70s. It is a inheritance, my opinion it’s QC was not the greatest, it was poorly gunsmithed, it’s nickel. I will be trying it. It IS time for a new gun. I originally wanted a 6” long slide but they went far out of my budget except for the Iver Johnson that’s not USA and not +p rated. +P will not be regular agenda but I wouldn’t trust the gun that they don’t trust.
Problem with a new gun is there are too few to see in the LGS. It will prob be ordered thru Gunbroker

 

I've got two Springers and two S&W 1911s.

Get the feature set you want.

If you want a beavertail grip safety make sure the gun has one. If you want adjustable sights make sure the gun has them.

Changing either isn't easy and might well involve machine work.

 

. . . and the S&W has a lifetime warranty!

 

In my experience, I’d trust the S&W over a Springfield in a 1911. If I were you, I’d look for a Colt 1911 in 45 ACP rather than a 10mm. I own one 10mm, it’s a Glock 40. I’m not Glock fan, but for a 10mm, 6” barrel it’s probably the best. JMB designed the 1911 around his 45 ACP and I’ve been disappointed with them chambering any other caliber. I’ve owned two Springfield 45s and both were not reliable.

 

Final outcome!
Decided long slide was not necessary.
The Delta at LGS was sold. They did have a Colt 1911 Competition 45acp. Went home to do the research. Decided not a time to start a new caliber. The gun has double recoil springs to reduce recoil and increase spring life and a undercut behind the trigger guard to reduce recoil. Novak adjustable low profile sights, fiber optic front. The trigger was nice. All together a result of modifications made for the Marine contract. I bought that. Cleaned and oiled, 100 rnds 230 fmj from 4 magazines. 100%.

 

Congratulations!

 

Final outcome!
Decided long slide was not necessary.
The Delta at LGS was sold. They did have a Colt 1911 Competition 45acp. Went home to do the research. Decided not a time to start a new caliber. The gun has double recoil springs to reduce recoil and increase spring life and a undercut behind the trigger guard to reduce recoil. Novak adjustable low profile sights, fiber optic front. The trigger was nice. All together a result of modifications made for the Marine contract. I bought that. Cleaned and oiled, 100 rnds 230 fmj from 4 magazines. 100%.