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Pink Rhino laser cartridge

2.6K views 17 replies 6 participants last post by  BirdsThaWord  
#1 ·
Mailman brought me a new Mantis/Pink Rhino 9mm training cartridge this morning.
This replaced the one I gave my brother to practice with.
I think the price was $40.
I have been using it for draw/fire drills @ 21' with a 4"x4" reflective target for a while tonight.
I can report that the cartridge works as expected, and that instinctive/point shooting practice is well worth the effort.
Drawing and firing without regard to sight picture seems counterintuitive, consider this.
A quarterback or a pitcher never had anything but eyes and a brain to send that fastball or touchdown pass.
Lots of dry fire drills let me send it where I look, rather than me trying to see where the sights are.
Your mileage may vary.
 
#2 ·
I have been using them is Basic Pistol classes for a couple of years.
It's more productive training and more fun when the pistol does something when you pull the trigger.

The basic (spelled free) version of the G-Sight app works well too.
Lets you see how tight (or not) the groups are.

Finest kind, Maynard.
 
#3 ·
One thing I have noticed is that if the focus is on the target, my brain will coordinate with my hands and the laser dot will go to target, sights or not.
 
#5 · (Edited)
Especially close range. I use CAR and it works extremely well. My SD experiences prevailing against single, dual and three+ multiple attackers (three+ changed my life perspective) is it all happens at close range. Otherwise you either evac or it’s rifle time. I CCW a 1911 since it was designed for close range and I have fought hands on with it in real-life engagements.

Pistol optics are for LE whose LE mission is to close with the enemy and for range play. I have pistol optics on 9mms that I also train with but they are not practical based on my real life experiences. Generally, those promoting the value of pistol optics for non LE SD use have no real life SD experience(s).
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#10 ·
The late Paul Castle Center Axis Relock (CAR)

I would love to go through training like that. Again and again. I did 1.5 years of jiu jitsu, and it has served me well on a few occasions, but weapons were not at play. The Center Axis Relock (watched all of the pistol stuff) seems amazing (as he points out) recoil is mitigated. Of course, I’d rather a 45 than a 9mm. In the point & shoot stuff I’ve been doing I dropped down to a 9mm for that very reason. I was doing alright with the 45, but tightened up with the 9mm.
I watched about half the vid you posted (thank you). I will watch it all here soon. :D
 
#11 ·
one more - a caveat -

If you shop on Amazon you will see dozens of "other brand" laser cartridges.
Since I was buying several for basic pistol students I tried a few.

The cheapies do work as suggested, but do not always center up correctly.
It's frustrating when the spot misses all by itself.

I have returned to Pink Rhino exclusively.

Just sayin'
 
#12 ·
I have never used a dry fire laser cartridge but I do not understand how they would be so good as there is no recoil and sight realignment to get the real effect of shooting.
 
#13 ·
But you do dry fire, right?
This little toy just shows where your shot would have hit.

Emphasizing a firm grip and a delicate trigger finger is difficult for new shooters (and even old ones) when the gun is jumping around.

It lets one get the basic fundamentals down - without the recoil.
Once the idea is mastered we can deal with recoil control.

One step at a time.

That's my feeling anyway.
 
#15 ·
Just to give this thread more opportunities for additional conversation I would like to propose: Your comparison is not the best.....a quqrterback makes a pass and the receiver (target) moves as needed to receive it and there is a significant failure rate due to fumbles and interceptions. The pitcher's rate of success is often less then spectacular due to the high number of walks and hits.
When shooting we want 100% somewhere on the target,
 
#16 ·
The quarterback throws to a particular point on the field well before the receiver arrives.
The pitcher throws at an imaginary box that only the umpire can see. They do this by muscle memory and years and years of practice.
When I practice point shooting with a laser cartridge I aim at 2"x2" or 4"x4" reflective targets without looking at the sights at all.I look only at the target. The more I practice the better I get.
Might be a reach, but I see an anology.