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S&W 437 - 637 or 442 - 642

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The J Frame is one of Smith & Wesson's most popular frames. The 4/637 and the 4/642 are a very popular selection from the J Frame lineup and regularly ride alongside Police Officers and Civilians alike either as a backup or primary defense weapon. The venerable .38 Special is a well respected caliber capable of holding it's own.

I know there are other models in the J Frame lineup, but this thread is specifically dedicated to these models.

Please feel free to post your preferred model with pictures, likes and dislikes, also include your method of carry including the holster, ammo types you prefer, ranges you shoot and practice at, any work that has been or will be done, accessories (grips, lasers, sights, etc.).

Hopefully this can lead to some great conversations and appreciation for these models as well as help others determine if this is the revolver for them or their family. Everyone that can please participate reguardless of whether someone else uses or posted a similar response as you intended too.
 
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I own and like two of the models listed. I have owned a black 442 no dash since that model became available. I sent it to Weigand to have a custom barrel installed (2 1/8" length with a small dovetailed sight in place, plus four ports in the top of the barrel. The job also included a longer ejector/extractor rod, possible because of the additional barrel length, which makes it a bit easier to extract and eject empties from the cylinder). It has been a fine gun over it's lifetime. If I had this done again, I would probably elect to delete the ports from the barrel. They have not caused any problems in use, but for it's intended purpose and it's size, I'd just as soon not have the gases escaping the barrel anywhere except at the end of it.

My 642-2 is one of the later models with the internal lock, silver in color, which I bought used. The finish on the frame is compromised somewhat by the manner in which it was handled by the previous owner so it does not look as nice as it might have otherwise. Mechanically, it is in very sound condition and it functions well in all respects. I was able to purchase it for short money due to it's less than pristine looks. I bought it to shoot and carry every day, so the way it looks is of no real concern to me, and I doubt if it would be noticed by the recipient of any of the loads it carries.

Both revolvers wear a set of Crimson Trace grips, the extra length models with the rubber overmold feature. My wife claimed the 442 as her own not long after it's purchase and modifications were done. Since I prefer the Centennial style frames with the double action only function, when I found the scuffed up 642 at a very good price, I bought it. I would have preferred another black no IL 442, but had not found one for sale that tempted me during the interim. After a thorough cleaning and testing, the 642 has been completely satisfactory for me for its intended purpose.

I carry either Speer Gold Dot 135 grain ammo designed for short barrels or the old FBI loads of 158 grain +P lead SWCHP bullets. I feel confident in either load and both shoot well in either gun. The heavier FBI loads shoot closest to point of aim, but accuracy and point of impact for either is more than sufficient at the usually close range that either is likely to be used. Both guns are airweights, so the recoil is fairly brisk, but totally controllable. My wife has no problem with the +P loads in either weapon. Neither is a gun that we spend all day long shooting at the range. A practice session usually involves 50 rounds or less, with a couple of cylinders of the +P stuff to finish the session.

Both have given excellent service and both are easy to carry. The CT laser grips make them very useful in low or no light situations. Each is normally at our bedside each night when we undress for bed and are taken up again for the next day's activities and carry. They have been our constant companions. We each have a Slim XC IWB holster made by TTGunleather.com for these guns (excellent product!). My wife does not carry much with this holster, although she does carry at times with another OWB holster made by the same company around our home and place. She carries in a purse with a dedicated pocket for the gun, and she has a zippered carry case that looks like a zippered notebook that she uses as well.

We both have great confidence in these small revolvers for our everyday and every night personal protection needs. They conceal very well and comfortably for each of us. A small revolver is not for everyone, but my wife is able to handle it's function very well and shoot it accurately. She also has a Shield that she shoots very well and likes, but she is more comfortable with the simple function and use of the revolver, having used it for many years. She knows for sure it's unloaded or loaded and she doesn't have to stop and think about how to make it go bang. I also have a Shield and like it well, but I'm an old revolver man and each of us is very comfortable with the five rounds these guns carry being able to do what we need done. Each of us normally has an HK speedloader close at hand as well as a speed strip loaded with six rounds in order to be able to reload and still be ready to go. These guns with their related equipment and accessories are very satisfactory for our needs. Everybody has to find what works best for themselves. It's great that we have so many choices and solutions for our firearm needs. I have other J Frames that also could easily do the same job, but we prefer these models without the exposed hammer spur in case we wish to drop them in a coat or vest pocket with a pocket holster. There is nothing in the way to impede a clean draw to to catch on the pocket linings.
 
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Thank you for such a great and detailed first post. I thought for a minute that I wasn't going to get any responses, but I was and am hoping for a great thread. Come on guys help me out, I will cobtribute as soon as mine makes it home within the next couple of days or a week. Thanks for the consideration.
 
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While I have owned a model 36 for over 30yr and really like it, I found it a bit heavier than I wanted for pocket carry, so when about a year ago in my lgs I found a 442 Pro it came home with me. This is a no lock model, my preference. Machined for moon clips with a blackened stainless cylinder.

This gun chambered in 38spec, (all I want in a air weight j-frame) has been totally reliable and accurate. My first 5 rounds out of the gun could be covered with a quarter at 10yds, right on point of aim and with my preferred carry load of Remington's 158gr LHP +P.

While not my primary carry, when limited to pocket carry, I trust my 442 to get the job done
 
#5 ·
I have a S&W 442. Great little gun. I have about 400 rounds through it a mixture of 125gr LRN and 148 LRN reloads. And about 100 of SD ammo. I mainly pocket carry it in a kydex holster or a blackhawk pocket holster. I do have a OWB holster for it as well but find myself usually pocketing it. At the indoor range I usually stay around 10ft and get a pretty good group. At the outdoor range I like to shoot steel with it.

Not the best picture of it.
 
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That group was shot standing with two hand hold. These guns can be amazingly accurate. Back when my eyes were still good and the hand steadier I could usually put at least a couple of rounds per cylinder full on a IPSC target at 100yds. That with my model 60.
 
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Please note, LOL, that while I reported accurately that first group size that I cannot always do that. My normal hand held, slow fire groups, are in the 2-3in range. Gun is capable, however sometimes I am not!
 
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I've shot a friends 642 quite a bit but I actually have an LCR... went with it over the S&W because the LCR is lighter (pocket carry) and has a nicer trigger than new 642/442 I handled.. and it cheaper. I pocket carry mine in a Blackhawk #4 holster for jeans and a De Santis for cargo shorts. The BH#4 is small and not very rigid so it blends in well in even tight jean pockets... the De Santis has the flap on it which makes it wider and fills a cargo shorts pocket better... the BH#4 can rotate in a large pocket. I've carried a 642 in a Mica pocket holster before. It works well too... if I had the 4/642 I'd carry it the same way.

With that said though I'd get the 4/642... If its a self defense snub nose, you are going to be shooting it DA. No point in having a spur sticking out on a carry gun that you will never actually be thumbed.

The 5 shots with in a quarter slow fire is not really surprising to me.. snub nose revos are very accurate if the shooter can do his part... I've shot clover leafs with my LCR at 7yds before and its pretty easily to clean a 8" plate rack at 20yds 5 for 5 going at a decent pace.
 
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With that said though I'd get the 4/642... If its a self defense snub nose, you are going to be shooting it DA. No point in having a spur sticking out on a carry gun that you will never actually be thumbed.

I've been carrying a 637 for years. It's carried not only for SD against two legged BGs, but 4 legged also. Only time it's been drawn for SD, has been against other aggressive dogs at large when walking my own dog. It has also been drawn and shot when in the field at small game that I didn't want to shoot at with my shotgun. In both instances it was nice to have the option of shooting SA. The hammer is also cocked when there is a bump in the night and I use it to back up the dog when investigating. There are SD/HD scenarios beyond the quick draw @ a target 3 yards away.

Everyone must consider their own set of priorities when it comes to a SD/HD firearm and the ammo that is loaded in it. One must be proficient with it, have confidence in it and be comfortable carrying it. This means it needs to be reliable and accurate. Anything other than that is just personal preference.
 
#13 ·
I have carried a "Chief" for over 45 years. First as off duty now for CC. A couple of years ago I got my wife a 637 for purse carry. Weight and pink grips was the consideration. Whether true or not I perceive a pretty significant difference in recoil between the two. The 637 is just not a "fun" piece to go out and shoot. I carry standard issue .38 spl in both. For CC an old shoulder rig from Safari and Bianchi for OWB. Naked on the night stand.

Jim
 
#14 ·
I've been carrying my 442 exclusively for a couple of months now. It replaced my Colt DS that needs timing work done.

It is a great carry gun. I wish it held more bullets, but there is something just right about them in all other aspects.

I have some Hogue Tamer grips on it now, but I need good pics of it like that.

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Well I thought since I started this thread the least I could do was support it by posting an opinion and some pictures of my brand new S&W 442-1 no lock.
Personally I don't perceive the DA to be nearly as heavy as others have listed, but I may have it lightened a couple of pounds at a later date. The trigger has a slight stacking feeling (not a lot) to what I consider a mid/three qtr of the way then it feels slightly lighter just before breaking, which is very crisp. It also seems to be fairly easy to keep on target through the pull as well. All that said, I have only dry fired it, but I can't wait to get some range time. I'm not a total amature since I used to own a 637 before I sold it to my father, loved it. I wanted another one forever but decided on the 442 JIC of snagging and so I can feel better about carrying it without a thumb snap.
I bought a Blackhawk pocket sheath/holster and a Bianchi leather OWB holster which pulls this holster closer to my body than any of my other CCW rigs including my IWB G26.
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I like the 637, it carries very easily. I've done pocket carry but I prefer IWB. If you've ever carried a full-size steel 1911 and then stick one of the Airweights in your belt you're likely to forget that it's there!

Honestly my favorite SD round is a 158gr LSWC backed by 3.8 gr of AA#2. It is a stout round that you don't want to spend all day shooting, the low flash qualities of the AA#2 really show up in the snubby and very accurate for me.
 
#21 ·
Just curious, have you ever timed yourself from last shot, reload with your setup, first shot after reload?

Cause, it's going to take me 10 seconds or so to fish the speedloader out of my pocket, dump the empties, and reload the gun. I don't know how long it would take using speed strips and having them in another case to open.

As I said, just curious. Of course, reloading a J frame...well, let's just hope we don't have to.:)
 
#23 · (Edited)
"...4/642...post your preferred model with pictures...method of carry including the holster, ammo types you prefer,...work that has been done, accessories..."
Newer gen 442 no-lock (a ~5 year-old MIMster), its my "grab-n-go" option, takes a back-seat to semi-autos, I do carry it a lot though...completely disappears and comfortable, a great "social events" carry.

Have a nice Alessi APX but despise appendix carry so it rides in an off-the-rack (and butt-ugly...but...hey..."who ever sees it?" :p) Bianchi Pro 100 at ~4:00ish and on rare occasion in a Black Hawk nylon cheapo but I'm no fan of pocket carry either. I spend good money on leather for my semi's but for some reason have not on the 442.

Ammo: Speer GDHPs of some flavor, currently 125gr's (#23720) because that's what my lady likes in her model 60 so...we have em' around. Better choice would be SB version or a wad cutter but I don't sweat the ammo choice in this gun (carry 1 speed strip, have speed-loaders but don't like to hide em').

Run LG-405's and about two years ago I went with an Apex duty-kit and light polish job on the internals without any undue issues (posted that here back then), best move I could of made. I don't subscribe to the "only shoot it to smooth it" mantra but I'm also not advocating any home trigger jobs for anyone either, works for me (and not my 1st go-round at lightening-up a snub). Been 100% since the day I bought, never a fail, and shows some wear.

I pop-off a box of 50 here and there to keep it tested and functional and open it up 2x per year to clean and lube. I like it a lot, great carry option but it'll never be a primary. I doubt I'll ever be without a J-frame of some sort.



 
#25 ·
Cunroe:
I like that holster, it was between the one I have and that one, I tried both at the store. I really like the convenience of quickly putting it on and taking it off with that clip. It was really tight in the holster and with the clip I was worried about drawing the holster with the gun. Do you have any problems with that and if the holster is broken in does the gun feel secure? Please inform as I may add it later for another option.
 
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"...convenience...tight in the holster...was worried about drawing the holster with the gun. Do you have any problems with that and if the holster is broken in does the gun feel secure?"
I don't even recall where I stumbled onto this thing but it was not a determined buy on my part, it was a "hey I could use that" kinda deal. I've used it since only because I have it and this is not a primary carry setup. If I carried a J for more than 'grab-n-go' as mentioned above I would definitely invest in a decent holster. As a matter of fact, full-disclosure, I would never suggest to anyone to buy mass produced holsters because I'm an advocate of "spend a little more and run quality gear." I will only suggest to you here in response or anyone, use a quality holster from a quality maker that fits your mission and your body-type. Now that I'm off my soap-box...:rolleyes:

Pros: Inexpensive, clip is convenient and I truly do like the rough-out texture on the body-side of the holster, holds position well and oddly, there is an ever so slight cant that I like at 4:00 (probably due to happenstance with a crooked clip install more than design - LOL). Grip purchase is easy to attain on draw as well

Cons: C'mon man, it is mass-produced and looks it - there's no soul with this thing, stitching is durable but looks assembly line, not a perfect fit and well...again...gawd its an ugly azz holster and has dye inconsistency

To answer you, no, I have no issues whatsoever with tight fit draw, conversely, while definitely secure when belted and stays put as I mentioned this will never pass an upside 'shake-test.' Over time, the body will last but guaranteed the mouth will continue to weaken and one-hand re-holster will not be an option. There's a lot worse choices than this on the market but I'd much rather you procure something more sincere.

Don't 'freak-out' on the plastic nines in the pic below (I do own 1911's too :cool:) but this shows the APX I mentioned as well to let you see another style.

Good luck...

 
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I love customs as well, affording them can be difficult so I order them for my most prized and most carried guns first. I'm currently waiting on two, one from Mernickle for a Birdshead Vaquero, and a kydex from Cook's for my G26, already procured two for my 1911 Champion Operator a leather from Pure Kustom and a kydex from Colorado Holsters. Custom IS the way to go.
The second problem with custom is the wait, I bought this 442 to carry now so I need a holster now, I will eventually order a custom but it will have to wait until I have funds and time, meanwhile these will fill the role and work as a backup and another option later on even when I have a custom.

I like the clip holster like the one you posted because if I haven't been carrying because I'm on a car trip and I need to run in the store, I can throw it on and take it back off really quickly. My big fear about clips is drawing and pointing my holster at the bad guy. I have similar clips on a knife sheath and when I go to pull it occasionally I get the sheath too.
 
#30 ·
This thing is so light, out of all of my carry pieces so far this is my favorite for descrete carry. It's funny, I know many people have said this before, but I don't feel underarmed at all.
It also points really naturally, like pointing my index finger, I've shot the 637 before but I can't wait to get some range time with this.
 
#31 ·
My 442 has been a favorite since I got it. It is nearly perfect in fit/finish, has an excellent trigger, and the sight are regulated perfectly. Even the CTC LaserGrip required no adjustment when installed. It gets a little uglier every day but I don't hold it against it.
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It's actually quite fun to shoot and not a burden to carry in the least. It plays backup to a .357 or 45acp.
 
#33 · (Edited)
This is a great thread. I have a 642 that Mr. Weigand modified into a 4PJ Executive. The original package was intended to be done on a 640, but he made it work just fine on my Airweight Centennial.
Being left handed, finding an off the shelf holster at any of my LGS has been impossible here. Funny thing, while living in California in the 90s, before I got this particular revolver, I could find lots of left handed holsters, for most any kind of handgun. Now that I'm in Arkansas, no luck...oh well.
I have an inexpensive Tagua 4 in 1 LH on order. Since its not my primary EDC I've not put as much into this gun as I could have. I invested in a Wilson Combat ULCC and love it.
I really enjoy seeing the Crimson Trace grips here and will get some for the 4PJ Executive 642. I've got them on my Kahr PM9 and they're a game changer!
 
#34 ·
This is a great thread. I have a 642 that Mr. Weigand modifid into a 4PJ Executive. The original package was intended to be done on a 640, but he made it work just fine on my Airweight Centennial.
Being left handed, finding an off the shelf holster at any of my LGS has been impossible here. Funny thing, while living in California in the 90s, before I got this particular revolver, I could find lots of left handed holsters, for most any kind of handgun. Now that I'm in Arkansas, no luck...oh well.
I have an inexpensive Tagua 4 in 1 LH on order. Since its not my primary EDC I've not put as much into this gun as I could have. I invested in a Wilson Combat ULCC and love it.
I really enjoy seeing the Crimson Trace grips here and will get some for the 4PJ Executive 642. I've got them on my Kahr PM9 and they're a game changer!
Glad your enjoying the thread, I hoped everyone would enjoy it since these models are so popular.
As far as lack of left handers here in Arkansas, sorry, were not as mixed up as you Cali folks. Lol
Have you had a Tagua before? Most of their holsters are really rough on the inside, I used one for my G17 for a while but was afraid of what it might do to the finish. Just letting you know.
 
#35 ·
Right now I'm looking for more ammo offerings for my 442 and some Standard pressure SD ammo for my dad/stepmoms 637.

An even bigger challenge is deciding what grips to go with. I'm currently looking at Altamonts, but that hasn't narrowed it down much because their offerings are great. I'm thinking boot grips but the three fingers look nice too. I'm thinking silver and blacks should go great with my 442. Who knows.
 
#36 · (Edited)
Boxer - I'm an Arkie in NWA now! Was only in SoCal for about 4 1/2 years, now back in God' country.
About Tagua's roughness, I'm counting on the fact that the 642 has an Airweight frame & stainless cylinder. That should keep damage to the looks to a minimum. Thanks for the concern though!