That police SUV took a bunch of hits and was smoking badly. Several credible instructors have said that a vehicle is a bullet magnet, it's true in that video. Here is another video from a different angle.

Latest update is that they captured the criminal alive.

 

This is the angle I saw and it makes me wonder if the person filming had a rifle or shotgun and shot the perp instead if they would have been praised or criticized. There was a decent opp to get a shot on him and not endanger the officers behind him.

 

Third Ward in Houston? "I'd like to solve the puzzle, Pat."

 

I saw another video that showed the car wrecking and the Police SUV come to a stop as the perp opened the door and started firing. I know it's easy to armchair quarterback situations after the fact but the LEOs might have should just drove into the guy instead of stopping, getting out and running to the other Police vehicle. I don't know if that would have been the right move or not, but it couldn't have been that much worse than what happened.

A shotgun would also have been nice in that mess.

 

I'm beginning to think police need something like a 7.5" SBR in the front seat that they can quickly grab as they exit the vehicle. Something with more punch and range than a pistol, which seems sadly lacking when they need to place precision shots to take out a dangerous opponent.

 

Thats why I have this in a Black Rack behind my seat and it's 5.56 brother in a vault in the bed of my truck!!

 

No carbines?

 

The carbines tend to be locked in the trunk somewhere. I'm talking about something shoulder-fired that's quick to grab as it has a side-folding stock and a short barrel, in either 9mm or 5.56.

 

Like this? The officer reached for the AR at around 1:00 minute mark.

 

I know a Huston Sgt he said this brings the weekly tally to four officers shot.

 

The vehicle may be a bullet magnet, but it is also cover. I'd much rather be behind it than out in the open firing.

 

Me too.

 

I would think taking cover behind the door of todays police vehicles is useless unless they have a few layers of Kevlar built in. Where I grew up , there were a few old junk 40s & 50s cars abandoned in the woods behind the homestead. Our ''shootin' cars''! Now that was sheet metal! .22 short HPs or a load of 12ga low-brass bird shot would not penetrate unless dangerously close. .22LR-HV would up to about a 45deg angle. Steeper angle or rounded body contour and they would usually skip off.

 

More and more Departments are using armor in their vehicles. Texas DPS is in the process of putting bullet resistant glass in all of their black and whites.

 

It went down like it did, because all the cops and criminals were put into a life-death situation, adrenaline was running, and we saw what happened.
Could it have gone better or worse? Maybe, maybe not, who knows.
After an exchange of lots of bullets I saw some cops running after the thug pos, were the cops already hit and then ran after him?
I bet ya though, the criminal probably should of been in jail due to prior rap sheet.

 

I saw a small piece of the standoff last night, what was the outcome?

 

times have changed for the worse for both sides people who stay in jail let out to commit more crime with no worry about going to jail to live out their lives.
No respect for the badge at all sad so sad

 

NYC teen charged with shooting NYPD cop walking free on bond | Fox News

 

Post #2 said he was captured alive.

"I saw a small piece of the standoff last night, what was the outcome?"

 

Any round penetrating a car door or car body is going to bleed off ( definitely no pun intended ) lots of energy. Maybe enough to save ones life if hit subsequent to the previous penetration. There is also the benefit of blocking the perps view of center mass.
Joe

 

One of the nastiest shootings I ever worked what when a fat guy what shot in the thigh after a .270 round went through the passenger door. There was fat and blood dripping from just about every nook and cranny of the interior of the car.

 

 

According to Joel Eisenbaum, journalist in Houston, this is the gun used in the shooting.
Glock 17 with a drum magazine?

|From his Facebook page

 

According to Joel Eisenbaum, journalist in Houston, this is the gun used in the shooting.
Glock 17 with a drum magazine?

I just purchased one of those drum magazines.

 

It gets worse:

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The vast majority of these savages involved in urban shootings of cops are ghetto career criminals. Until we decide to keep people who refuse to be part of civilization in prison for good, this is going to get worse. It is literally open season on cops. What Obama and his "advisors" did to cops through race baiting and agitation is now bearing fruit for the Bolsheviks.

 

Wow, post #22, seems to be crim-common these days?
The crims are getting more brazing by the hour.
Whatever they can do to unleash more than a magwell worth, they will do.

I am all for some new penal code. If you have one felony on your record, and you caught possessing a firearm with a drum magazine, 25yrs in jail mandatory minimum. I don't yet know how to handle people who have misdemeanor(s).

"Leroy, WTH are you doing in that bedroom?"
"Nothing mom, just filling up a drum with some 9's"
"Ok, hurry up, dinner is getting cold"

 

How about making shooting a cop a capital offense punishable by death...then actually follow thru on the punishment. I know this sounds harsh, but why should tax payers pay indefinitely to house and support someone who obviously doesn't want to coexist in a civil way with their fellow humans?

When you remove consequences, criminals care less about breaking the law and taking advantage of, harming, and even killing their fellow humans.

 

How about making shooting a cop a capital offense punishable by death...then actually follow thru on the punishment. I know this sounds harsh, but why should tax payers pay indefinitely to house and support someone who obviously doesn't want to coexist in a civil way with their fellow humans?

When you remove consequences, criminals care less about breaking the law and taking advantage of, harming, and even killing their fellow humans.

No, it isn't harsh at all. It is actually what needs to be done but instead of moving in the direction of legitimate punishment for these animals, we are moving in the opposite direction. Crime, violence and attacks on cops in our large cities are moving to record levels, but the 70 IQ morons who live there keep voting for politicians and prosecutors whose primary goal is to turn their own cities into dystopian nightmares. Solution? I don't see one because most people are conditioned to have empathy for the criminal class and think the real solution is spending more money on welfare handouts while forcing cops to be "community friendly".

 

Since 1/21 this is what we are looking at. It’s ridiculous.

 

Since 1/21 this is what we are looking at. It’s ridiculous.
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We just had one run over trying to serve a warrant by a gang banger on a motorcycle. Completely intentional and cop is hospitalized.

 

Their is a lot of things wrong with this shooting. The scum first should of not be out of jail. The police need more training when one person can hit three and the police
can't hit the scum bag. My son a LEO in charge of the range training states some LEO's can't shoot or care to even clean their guns.

 

I predict vigilantes soon.

 

I suspect the lefties are hoping that will happen. They will then have an excuse to come for our hardware.

 

Would a few flash-bang or concussion-bangs lofted at the thug help in this situation? They just need to be close to ring his clock, buying enough time & cover to maneuver? I am beginning to think a pistol bullet and a distant target is too challenging for most LEO's?

 

Or a fragmentation grenade.

 

Anyway, back on topic...


The gun found on the front seat of a car used in a shootout with Houston police officers
on Thursday afternoon was illegally modified to dispatch 50 rounds in about five seconds.

The Glock 17 9mm handgun contained a “full-auto sear” conversion, which allowed it to be fired rapidly.


full auto glock

The Range Master at the indoor range here has one.
IT sure goes through ammo in a big hurry!

 

Some of you aren’t here for discussion about 1911’s, are you?🤦‍♂️

 

Apparently not. I just cleaned this thread up... let's hope it stays that way.