Just checked and both websites are up. But no 45's, all out of stock. Not uncommon.

 

Nope. They are in business, and in overdrive.

Due to the current 'state of affairs' with the firearms and reloading industry they are running at 110% to keep up.

In case you aren't aware ... there is another 'Ammo Scare' on.

You think people would have learned after the last election.

 

I've seen various sites shut down temporarily this season,
probably bad weather in localized regions.
I suspect Brother Steve happened to hit them at a bad time.


Other than ghostholster/czcustom I haven't bought Zero in years
(Angus at czcustom has always been a trusted resource).
Zero are excellent bullets, but they don't need me clogging up their system.
They have enough trouble making bullets and filling orders.
I'm getting good results from Precision Delta, Hornady, etc etc
and when I don't need perfect results I shoot up lots of plated bullets.
And of course, cast lead bullets are always cheap and easy.

For those who wait, Zero are excellent bullets.
If you can't wait, be resourceful to explore the alternatives.

 

Some calibers have always been in and out of stock, depending upon what they are running at the moment. Before my stock gets low I keep an eye on the website and buy 'em when they're available and stock 'em deep.

Shooters Connection is another stocking dealer you can check with.

 

Zero Bullets

Good products with bad business management. They have not made capital investments to keep up with demand, and they have been cutting orders for many years, mostly on their JHP designs.

I ordered Zero bullets through www.rozedist.com for many years, until I got tired of them always being out of stock of my bullet choices.

I looked at their site today, and sure enough, so many bullets are out of stock it's a joke.....if a company can't keep their customer base happy, the customer base will go elsewhere, and I am one of their "former" customers.

 

Good products with bad business management. They have not made capital investments to keep up with demand, and they have been cutting orders for many years, mostly on their JHP designs.

I ordered Zero bullets through www.rozedist.com for many years, until I got tired of them always being out of stock of my bullet choices.

I looked at their site today, and sure enough, so many bullets are out of stock it's a joke.....if a company can't keep their customer base happy, the customer base will go elsewhere, and I am one of their "former" customers.

Bad business practices ? Ok, whatever.........

I'll let the cat out of the bag, so to speak. Graf & Sons had a table next to Mr. Stallings, Zero Bullet Company table at Bianchi Cup competition. Kind of a quiet, mild mannered guy until you get visiting with him. One of the finest men I've ever met in the industry, he visited with me for hours, broke out a stack of test targets and described their load workup process and his relationships with folks at Hodgdons and Camp Perry. Mr. Stallings sells Zero ammunition at competitions but says, ammunition isn't my core business, bullet making is. After a week of visiting I kinda got a feel for who Fred is, smart. Very smart and very respected by every big name bullet and ammunition manufactuer in the business. The Vice President of Marketing at ATK, sure knows Fred Stallings and thinks highly of him as everyone I visited with that week did. Fred sponsers competive shooters all around the US. Zero is a small, family run business. Fred said, I can add another shift and demand would cover supply overnight.
I don't feel comfortable sharing anything more about Fred Stallings except to say his business plan is perfect near as I can tell.

Anyways if you judge someone's business practices as poor and mismanaged because their website shows to be out of stock while running a full production crew all I can say is I'd like to be half the success as Fred Stallings is.

 

maybe i'm stupid but how would you order them if you wanted to?went to roze distributions website and it dosent appear to me you can even backorder them.
this seems like poor business,i would have no problem placing a order and waiting but i will not check the site daily hoping to score some bullets

pete

 

You are correct, they do not have a "backorder" online. That said, I have called Roze and placed an order for "out of stock" bullets over the phone. It took a long time, but they did come.

Sorry if I jumped the gun here with both Zero and Roze web sites down and the same time. Got a little nervous as I am in need for some more 40/10mm 180gr JHP. Excellent bullet.

Dave Clark, thanks for sharing your experience with Fred Stallings and the man behind these awesome bullets.

 

MidwayUSA is backordered on 55 grain, inexpensive bullets and not taking orders on some. Period. This happens to them all. Speer Gold Dots are always backordered or not taking backorders everytime I've ever had an interest in buying them. Two years ago I had a standing order for 2,000 Hornady A-Max bullets I'd waited 8 months for. Hornady doesn't switch a run off to do another run until a machine breaks down. That's the same line I got from Hornady for7 of those 8 months. Forster only does a run of Co-Ax presses every so often. Try calling them to remind that press is generally backordered all the time. Sierra has backorders all the time. These companies are very hesitant to equip and employ for peak demand, then lay off six months later. Bad business practice or smart business ? Guess it depends on how you look at it. I visited with Fred about high demand, he seems fine with where he's at.

 

i dont care how high demand is it is poor business to have every bullet in your distributors website showing out of stock--and no backorder.i have no issue waiting for a product ,but im sure me and many others will not likely jump thru hoops by checking daily to see if anything ever gets back in stock.we will go somewhere else and never look back.fred may be the smartest man ever but if he cant meet demand for his product he is a poor manager of his company.it is one thing to be behind due to increased demand but eventually you should catch up.
pete

 

You know, when I think about what you've said in the grand scheme of supply and demand. How just about everybody, who's somebody in the bullet business wishes the phones and e-mail accounts were shut off, then think about spring coming. What with all the matches to load for and all. I wish a whole bunch of guys would get pissed off and never look back so I can get my orders quicker.

 

You might consider Precision Delta as an alternative. I'v been using their bullets for about 1 1/2 years now and am very satisfied with quality and service.

 

For quite some time, a couple of years or so ago, I loaded my FMJ loads with only Zero bullets. I had purchased many thousands of Zero bullets, and had a good reserve. I really like their quality, and assistance if needed. Well the time came to reorder. I tried and tried.....to no success. Finally I tried Precision Delta for some of my needs, and am pleased with their product. I use some plated bullets, as well as some lead bullets, depending upon caliber,purpose and speed of load. I would purchase Zero bullets again if the situation arises where it is possible.

 

Montana Gold is another good source.

 

this is another distributer for zero. http://www.shootersconnectionstore.com/Default.aspx
I called my bullet supplier (different brand) and they said two weeks to fill the order. They said they had over 200 orders waiting to get filled, even tho they had the product made they could'nt keep up on shipping. Apparently everyone is stocking up.

 

For The quality and price, I feel roze is worth the minor inconvenience of having to check for availability more than once. Ive never had to check for more than a couple of days.

Here is an interesting data point, I went to the roze site this AM, same as when this thread was started, no 45acp. Went there 10 minutes ago, they had 2000 available and I just bought them. I wonder how many times the people complaining looked at this thread today :biglaugh:

 

Bad business management

The owner of Zero bullets, Fred Stallings, may be a fine gentleman, but the issues of being out of stock on JHP bullets has been an ongoing problem for several years. I have ordered Zero bullets for well over 10 years....

There are no excuses when you don't want to expand your production to keep up with demand, and the demand for JHP bullets has been an ever expanding category for many years now.

Perhaps Fred has reasons why he doesn't want to gear up production, but I say that is poor business management! Perhaps he wants to keep a small number of employees for tax purposes or whatever....who knows? All I know is I can't get the items I want for my shooting needs, so I am no longer a customer......

 

I was on Roze Distribution's site a few days ago and it carried the note that they were running 5 to 6 weeks behind schedule.

 

When I started reloading I ordered a few boxes of bullets by from Midway when I ordered my reloading supplies. I then found a great local hardware store in Charlotte NC about a half hour away that stocks pallets of Magnus and Zero bullets.I try to buy local when possible and when economical. Littles hardware has a guy running the reloading stuff out of the back of the warehouse. This guy knows his stuff and also gives good advice and is a phone call away if you need him. ( he even sold me some of his personal 32 long brass a few weeks back. He recommended Zero bullets. I tried FMJ,JHP in 9 and 45. I love them. Great bullets. Only problem is I've been back twice for other stuff and the JHP 185's have been out of stock. I'm hoping next time I go back he has them. I asked him to put me a 1,000 up for me. I hope it doesn't turn into one of those things I try once and can't find any more. I have a few hundred left and have since been working up some lead loads. So for now the ZERO 200gn LSWC will have to do.
I went threw all that just to give a new shooters perspective to the out of stock issues. I hope I can find them but IF I can't I'll just move to the next good bullet I find until i find it again and when I do IF it takes awhile I'll just make sure I bump my order up to a full case. Good luck to all hunting ZERO's

 

If Zero brand is so hard to find now then how about X-Treme ?

 

Zero are true jacketed bullets, Xtreme are plated.

 

I have received 5000 230 grain FMJ from Zero (Roze) over the last week. They shipped the day after I placed the orders. 2000 in the first order, 3000 in the second.

They come back in stock pretty frequently from what I have seen.

I only wish I had found out about them sooner.

 

Does Zero actually make the jacketed bullets they sell ?

 

Zero



Yes, Zero manufactures in house from Cullman, Alabama. USA.

I'll do you one better. What came first, Zero 185 jhp or Nosler 185 jhp ? Zero. To me both look identical.

 

Just checked, they have 230gr 45 in stock.
tc

 

Boomer-> I shop at Little's for reloading equipment all the time Bobby is amazing with his knowledge of reloading!! I'm going there on Friday to restock, he has Zero bullets, but as you know, it depends on what you are looking for, but he eventually gets them back in. I just ran out of 147gr 9mm and need to stock up, along with primers, powder etc...etc. good to see a local on the forums!!
mazer

 

you know when you have a product that is so good you can't keep them in stock I guess you are doing OK,,

 

Unable to meet demand versus production

you know when you have a product that is so good you can't keep them in stock I guess you are doing OK,,

Not always.....when a customer gets fed up with never being able to purchase a product without waiting for 8 weeks or more....the customer will usually find another product that offers competitive pricing, good quality, and limited waiting time when ordered.

The problem with Zero not being able to supply JHP bullets to meet their demand has been an ongoing issue for several years.....too long to suit my needs so I no longer use Zero bullets.

If ammo prices continute to escalate, I may have to explore "moly" bullets to save money since I shoot a lot of bullets, or perhaps start casting my own bullets again (yuck!)

 

An old Chinese buisiness man once told me: . . . . . "You can't make money if your door is closed, and you can't make money if your out of stock"

Maybe Zero should follow what was said years ago on an old Lay's potato chip commercial: . . . . . "Eat as many as you like .. We'll just make more"

 

It's just after lunch

and my day has been longer than I care to work. I don't work your typical 8,10 or 12 hour shift. I go to work when the phone rings and quit when the job is done. Phone rang at 6:22 pm last night and I'm just finishing up. Some days I wait for the phone to ring, others I turn the phone off. The thought of expanding my little deal doesn't interest me in the least. I make a decent living, try real hard to keep the taxes paid up and kinda do what I wanna do when I wanna do it. I've been known to get fired by a customer or two and known for firing customers. It's a fine line business owners walk most days. The most important thing is do an excellent job for those who appreciate your work and have time left over for some quality time in your life.

It's a damn shame when work cuts into Saturday morning competitions. Had one very good customer called the week of Bianchi Cup. Said he needed me, right now ! I expained my situation. That was last May, hadn't heard from him since.