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1911 vs P210?

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I currently have 2 SAO 9mm pistols, a BHP and a Sig P226 Legion SAO. I love them both, especially the 226 which is probably my overall favorite pistol but I think I want one more SAO 9mm as a target/range gun.

What got me thinking about this is, I'm a big fan of the 1911 and I'm a big fan of the 9mm but I do not have a 1911 in 9mm and I've read many times how fun 1911's in 9mm are due to the low recoil of an all steel gun in a mild caliber combined with the 1911 ergos and trigger.

That said, I've been on a Sig kick lately and have been seriously considering getting a P210-A Target instead? The P210's are legendary shooters and from everything I've seen the P210-A's live up to the legend. I also like all of the changes incorporated into the American version and its priced at a point that I can actually consider it (The original Swiss and later German versions are way over what I would consider spending). Its also an all steel gun with an awesome trigger and slide that moves like its on ball bearings and the -A models have the update 1911 style controls so it should be every bit as nice (if not better) to shoot as a quality 9mm 1911?

So pros/cons for me...

9mm 1911 > Great platform with unlimited options for models, upgrades, accessories, etc.. Standard mags have more capacity and are easier/cheaper to acquire. Down side is, I already have a couple of 1911 so this isn't going to add anything significantly different to the arsenal (Could be a pro or a con depending on your POV?)

P210-A > Another great platform but very limited after market support and limited magazine availability and capacity. What really draws me to it is its legendary performance and the fact that its complete different then anything else I currently have which makes it a little easier for me to justify.

Lastly... While I don't think it will happen anytime soon, Sig could drop the P-210 line at any time and without warning which would cause the prices to sky rocket like they did for the Swiss and German versions and that would price them out of my comfort range. I'll probably be able to get a 9mm 1911 anytime in the future for a reasonable price if I decide I still want one.

So I'm really leaning towards P-210-A Target but figured I'd throw this out there to see if anybody has a different opinion?
 
#5 ·
Well this is a 1911 Forum so probably no great surprise that recommendations will be in favor of the 1911.
I thought about that before posting but considering this is the Sig section of a 1911 forum, I hoped maybe I'd get some people who own and enjoy both that could share some honest opinions comparing the 2 platforms?

Here is what I would get and order it with the 1.5" guarantee at 50 yards. You specified target range gun?
Les Baer Custom Inc.
That's getting out of my comfort zone price wise. I'd like to be ~$1500 ball park which I know isn't going to get me a super high end 1911 but I'm not a super high end shooter so that's OK lol

The latest 210 version is a superb pistol. I don't believe you'll be disappointed. Magazines are not that hard to find - that said, they can be pricey for the capacity. As for aftermarket support, well, there's really nothing that 'needs' changing on that gun, so there's that. It sounds like you're after some sort of variety, given you already have 1911s. Nothing wrong with that. Variety is one of the huge perks of our hobby. I'm like you in that I prefer SAO pistols - and I'm a huge fan of hammers and safeties!
Capacity is probably the biggest down side to the P210 IMO. I'd like to see some other sight options for the platform but I think I will be happy enough with the sights that come on the target model. I just like options.

Side question: Have you taken a look at the SAO CZs? I'm not trying to talk you out of the 210, as I'm quite fond of mine, I'm just throwing it out there to make sure you're not accidentally bypassing another great option. Right now, I don't think anyone makes a better handgun for the money than CZ. Their SAO models are a sheer pleasure to handle and fire. Their SAO Shadow runs a bit less than the Sig, and the Tac Sports run on par or a bit over, but they are amazing! A 20-round 9mm with heft, perfect balance, no recoil and it's a laser....... what else could you want?
Sort of? I haven't looked into them in depth but I've always read good things about them. I've never shot or handled one but do have some 1st hand experience with their rimfire rifles and know they put out a quality product. Just that for whatever reason, I've never been all the interested in their 75 line? I do greatly prefer the capacity if nothing else! I guess I'll have to given them a little more consideration.

Another one I was considering is the Dan Wesson DWX which is kind of a blend between the CZ 75 and 1911 but so far its vaporware

As with the 210, any of these would be 'totally different' from anything you currently have - which seems to be a key part of your search criteria.
I don't know that its "key" per say but considering this isn't something I really need, it being something different would make spending the money a little easier.
 
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The latest 210 version is a superb pistol. I don't believe you'll be disappointed. Magazines are not that hard to find - that said, they can be pricey for the capacity. As for aftermarket support, well, there's really nothing that 'needs' changing on that gun, so there's that. It sounds like you're after some sort of variety, given you already have 1911s. Nothing wrong with that. Variety is one of the huge perks of our hobby. I'm like you in that I prefer SAO pistols - and I'm a huge fan of hammers and safeties!

Side question: Have you taken a look at the SAO CZs? I'm not trying to talk you out of the 210, as I'm quite fond of mine, I'm just throwing it out there to make sure you're not accidentally bypassing another great option. Right now, I don't think anyone makes a better handgun for the money than CZ. Their SAO models are a sheer pleasure to handle and fire. Their SAO Shadow runs a bit less than the Sig, and the Tac Sports run on par or a bit over, but they are amazing! A 20-round 9mm with heft, perfect balance, no recoil and it's a laser....... what else could you want? 🤣 🤣 🤣

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Edit: As with the 210, any of these would be 'totally different' from anything you currently have - which seems to be a key part of your search criteria. Speaking of triggers, my Orange factory trigger breaks at 1lb 7ozs. The Blue breaks at 1lb 8ozs. As target/range guns, these are on par with the 210 - albeit with a different 'feel'. And should you ever decide to try competition, then you're all set.

Just something to think about!!! Variety. 😁
 
#4 ·
I have several 1911 pistols and a P210 Target, which is a very nice gun, and accurate. The trigger breaks at 2.5 pounds from factory with a very short reset. If I had the money, I would probably go with the Les Baer Premier II @mdell49 mentioned in his post. A friend has one with 1.5" guarantee, and I shoot it more accurately then I do my P210. The 1911 platform just feels right to me, but again, I have owned 1911 pistols since I was 18. Wow, for 40 years, I am officially an old fart.
 
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One more vote for a Les Baer. I own 2 Baers, and one is my EDC. They are very dependable, accurate, built like a tank, and their Customer Service is excellent (in my experience). They are significantly less expensive than Nighthawk, Ed Brown, Guncrafter, or Wilson Combat. IMHO, Nighthawk makes a lot more different styles and better looking than the Baers. A great first 1911.
 
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I would get both. DW makes great, high quality and yet reasonably priced 1911's. I bought my daughter a DW stainless Specialist Commander 9mm (she had issues trying to pull the slide back on my 10mm DW 1911) and it's a great 1911 that is very ergonomic, super slick slide to rail travel/fit, super smooth light match grade trigger, and very accurate. I searched around and found this brand new one on Gunbroker for $1,275 brand new in the box (others were selling for $1,450 and up). I'm not that big into 9mm 1911's but this one looks and feels great in the hand and is very accurate. And she loves it.

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I have a Sig P210 American, 2 9mm 1911's, and a bunch of 45 1911's. The Sig is a nice gun, slick and smooth, good trigger, controls, and sights. Unfortunately my example is only okay in the accuracy department, good at steel plates at 10-15 yards, but from a sand bag rest at 25 yards it is hard to keep all 8 rounds inside a 3" circle. You will have 4 or 5 rounds fairly tight with the others scattered around. You can push up on the muzzle end of the barrel when in battery and feel some up and down movement, but it is tight side to side with no play. My Dan Wesson PM-C 9 is more accurate than my P210, my 9mm Range Officier is about even.
I have 3 Les Baers, a Wilson CQB, a Valor, and a ACW Prime Elite in 45 ACP, any one will outshoot any 9mm I own.
 
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I agree with Havanajim, the CZ Tactical Sport Orange is a top choice. It has everything the P210 Target has and more. I do have both and I really do like both, but there is so much more you can do to and with the CZ that the P210 is just a safe queen now. Not to mention the kit that comes with it is unmatched. It comes with lots of extra parts, springs and maintenance gear all packed in one of the most useful hard cases I have received with a purchase. And there is a plethora of factory and aftermarket support. Grips, extended base plates, gas pedals, mag releases, etc etc. The only thing available for the P210 is a +1 base plate from Armory Craft....woopy doo.
 
#16 ·
I own a couple of nice 9mm 1911s and recently purchased a standard P210A. It is a nice pistol but the trigger feels like a two stage with heavier 3.5lbs first stage (I am guessing due to FP safety) and a lighter 2-2.5lbs second stage. Plenty accurate for my purpose but I’ll need some time to get used to this trigger before I can make an honest comparison in accuracy to a 1911.

As you can see, I got the 1911 in 9mm first and owning both now would do that again. They provide a reduced recoil training platform and familiar trigger.
 
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I've shot and carried 1911s for 30+ years. Done a significant amount of IDPA and steel-challenge matches with 1911 .45s.

Last year, I swapped my primary compeition gun from a custom 1911 over to a Sig P210 German Mastershop midnight supertarget and have not looked back since. The P210 is phenomenal.

Here's both of them:

My previous competition gun - Dan Wesson 1911, hand-made in their custom shop for me. It's an absolutely awesome gun, and I love it. I have nothing bad to say about this 1911. It's truly a masterpiece. I'm just getting older and it's harder for me to be competitive with the younger folks shooting 9mms and optics.
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Here's my newest competition gun, a P210 Supertarget Midnight edition. I picked it up around July-ish 2020, which, in a complete and amazing coincidence, was the afternoon after Sig announced they were closing the doors forever on their German mastershop. As much as I love my 1911s, and I've carried one for decades - I have to give the nod to this P210. I have not shot the production standard or target P210s, so I can't compare to the production gun, but this mastershop one is truly a work of art. When I'm competing with this, I feel like Obi Wan Kenobi telling Luke that a lightsaber is a more refined weapon from a more civilized age. That's how the P210 feels on the range. It's just elegant.
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I'm strongly considering getting a P210 carry now, and going with one of the 5" carry builds that Bruce Gray is making for Grayguns with the steel frame and slide, vs. the 4" carry that Sig is building on an aluminum frame.