for jacketed bullets KKM..

 

Is the Garrison ramped? If it is what type? I’m getting a Rock Island .38 Super barrel for our 9mm Tisas that is Clark / Para cut.

 

Springfield uses the Wilson/Nowlin ramp on their pistols. I've got a Barsto that has worked well in both a Range Officer and my Garrison. Same barrel, in both guns, using the SA bushings I haven't gotten around to fitting the Barsto bushing yet, and might not, it's AWFULLY snug on that pipe. It does slide along the barrel, but you gotta want to do it, and it fits neither slide at the moment.

 

I know some of you have used "Drop in barrels" with good success, I am not that lucky.

I have leanings toward the Kart and have Charles E Petty's article

I shoot mostly JHPs in this one and some cast 148g TCs for range use

 

Ramped

 

Clark/Par. Or Wilson/Nowlin ?

 

Chance, Just out of curiosity, I put one of the SIG .38 Super barrels in my .38S Kimber, probably 2-3 years ago now. It was well finished inside and out and did drop into my particular gun. There was practically no end play or up/down movement at the breech when in battery. I tested it with a variety of ammo and had no malfunctions. It is throated a bit more than my other .38S barrels, but I tested and chronographed some higher pressure ammo in it with no issues.

 

Several members here have had great results with the E Bay Super barrels and certainly they are less expensive alternative. Sig branded and I could fit an EGW bushing if needed. The Springfield uses a Wilson/Nolin ramp for their 9mm. This pistol will stay Super once I have a barrel etc I bought the Garrison expressly for the super and have a DW Guardian 38 Super as well. I really like the chambering and have the springs on hand for this upgrade.

 

I've used Kart barrels in .45, can't see any reason not to use them in Super .38. I have a couple of Bar-sto Super .38 barrels and they are fine - both were drop in. I don't mean to imply I'm any sort of expert on Super .38, I just use whatever I run across at a good deal but then again I'm not trying to produce a pistol that will shot 1" groups at 50 yards.

Riposte

 

I cannot shoot 1" groups at 50 yds.with a pistol. but it is nice to know the pistol is capable of it. Maybe with a good rest on a good day I can come fairly close. I worked up a light load with Titegroup and 115g HAPs that gave me 5 shots in the same hole at.........8 yds. with my Guardian Super and no rest, just 2 handed shooting.

 

From reading your posts, I'd say you are more than capable of shooting 1" groups at 50 yards under the right conditions. I can't do it from any standing position or even kneeling, but I've done it several times from braced sitting, or rollover prone or off a sold bench with sandbags - but only when the pistol is capable also - most of my handguns are not. A few of them are however - they are the exceptions, rather than the rule...but they give me hope

By no means am I suggesting that even an 8 MOA pistol (4" at 50 yards) is worthless - nea, even a 10-12 MOA pistol.

Please don't think I'm making light of any of the above measurements, a ragged hole at 8-10 yards standing is also a worthy goal

Riposte

 

Measure the od of your original barrel. Most Colt barrels are .580 on the end. If your bushing fits your gun you could ask and save $. I like my bushings to fit tight. Also measure the end of your slide and see how close to .700 it is. I bought a couple of mec-gar 38 super mags that function perfect. I like EGW or Clark for bushings. I wonder if you could get a barrel from Springfield? There is a good chance it would drop in with just the barrel. I put a Wilson extractor in mine<not a ramp>and it works with 9 & super. <stiff>. The Kart would probably be my second choice and may need a little fitting. Most of the good barrels have a little extra meat on the hood for final fit. <Just something to ponder> There are only about 300 fps difference in 9 & super with a 125 grain and super brass is hard to find. 1284fps for 9mm & 1594fps for super with the same pressure ratings of about 35000. On my last one I found a complete 70's slide assembly one the net with a new BarSto barrel for $450. <45acp>

 

Who's going to fit the barrel? That might impact what I got. Some of the Smiths are particular about which barrels they use and why.

 

Flech, I called Kart, got his grandson Kyle on the phone. He is really proud to be a 3rd generation part of the legacy. He had these in stock and I could not pass it up. He said to call him with any questions or needing direction on this project. I am just sure that getting a barrel off EBAY marked 38 Super would not be the right ramp configuration or some other anomaly. Not my luck, I know when to fold.
Kart barrels have won more championships now for better than 45 years, I am no champion but his barrels are some of the very best when fit correctly. It is good for the psych to know the best is inside where it counts.

 

I have used a couple of KART barrels. They are excellent barrels, but FWIW, in my Colts they required serious fitting. I've also used BarSto, Wilson, Schuemann, Storm Lake, Rem Sport, etc. Some gun/barrel combinations required a lot of fitting, some very little. Where 1911 type pistols are concerned, you never know till you start fitting that particular barrel to your particular pistol...

 

I have used quite a few SIG barrels and this is what I know.

They all required very little fitting, and all do around 2" to 2.5" at 25 yards (15 shots, I go by consistency not by 5 shot groups) using Montana Gold and RMR bullets, do a little better with Zero bullets but they are quite expensive now with the new prices.

The main thing is there are 2 types, the early ones and the latter ones. The early ones have full case support, the latter ones they lowered the feed ramp and along that removed a lot of case support. If you do not plan on using hot loads, then I guess either one will be just fine. The problem is you do not know which one you will get when buying from Ebay.

You said you want good barrel and bushing then keep the gun as 38 Super, if you have other gun to shoot then I would say send the gun somewhere and have the barrel fitted properly, it costs a little more but you will be much happier in the long run.

Jarvis, Barsto and a lot of other places will do that if you have time to wait.

 

I just ordered a Kart Xact fit barrel/bushing. According to Mr. Kart it is finish reamed and crowned and will fit my Springfield with the correct link already installed. and in stock ready to go. It will take some fitting and I got the fitting kit from them too. The kit includes a safe file, fitting block etc and Kyle is the 3rd generation Kart and was great. The barrel, links and bushing plus the fit kit and shipping was $275.00 delivered. He is going to send me a shirt to wear in Berryville LOL Advertise his specialty in NH WC land LOL I am super excited to do this!

 

I have a good friend that is also a good GS Chris Mace who has been trained on 1911s. His machine shop is in Dover TN just outside of Ft. Campbell where he was an Armorer for the Army for a few years. Kyle Kart also said he would provide help and support while fitting this one up. Kyle wants this one to perform perfectly for me in Berryville at the Bash this year.
I am sure I will post pics while fitting this one and need everyone's support. If I run into any problems I will send it to Kart next door in NC.

 

My Guardian Super had a great snug fitting bushing when I first got it and I used the barrel to tap loose the bushing and it was a snug fit to the barrel. Unfortunately when I got it back from DW CS, the bushing had been changed and it was a loose fit in both the slide and barrel muzzle. The gun was still accurate enough that it shoots better than I can take advantage of.

 

The guy that taught me a lot about shooting was on the Coast Guard shooting team and Fred Kart built his pistols when he was in Redhead N.Y. I got a few of his bullseye pistols when he went to a nursing home.

 

That is so cool you were able to get any of his Bullseye guns. I would love to run across an old Bullseye pistol and know the history etc. Just to shoot occasionally and pass on to my Grandson who is showing a ton of interest in all outdoor things including shooting. He is in an archery program now. Just 10 now and went along deer hunting last year and shot his first squirrels last fall.

 

I am ready to get a Super barrel for my Springfield Garrison 9mm. I have a Kart barrel/bushing on my list. I do see where several of you have used the Sig 38 Super barrels available on E Bay. Another uses a BarSto Super barrel as well. The Sig is the least expensive but doesn/t com with a fitted bushing so additional funds to be spent on an EGW fit bushing.
I want the best barrel/bushing for this one as it will stay 38 Super.

I'd look over Search results

AFAIK, a lot of RIA parts are sold thru sarco.

 

I fit the Sig barrel to my 10mm SR1911 and couldn't be happier. Pulled a bushing from my R1 and it fit both the Ruger slide and Sig barrel like a matched set. Only thing I had to do other than a bit of stoning to one lug was to widen the hood to fit the width of the slide cut. Barrel slugged at .3565" and I size to .357".

 

Only thing I had to do other than a bit of stoning to one lug was to widen the hood to fit the width of the slide cut.

Widen the hood?

 

I am ready to get a Super barrel for my Springfield Garrison 9mm. I have a Kart barrel/bushing on my list. I do see where several of you have used the Sig 38 Super barrels available on E Bay. Another uses a BarSto Super barrel as well. The Sig is the least expensive but doesn/t com with a fitted bushing so additional funds to be spent on an EGW fit bushing.
I want the best barrel/bushing for this one as it will stay 38 Super.

If you want the best it can be, send it to Bar-Sto and have a barrel and bushing fit to the pistol.

 

I buy Precision Delta 124g JHPs by the thousand and have had great results in 9mm and 38 Super. It is my go to range bullet. I load VV N320 4.2g with all my 124s in 9mm and they are accurate in all 3 of my 9mms. This SA is my first 1911 9mm and I am eager to start working with it.

I picked up 500 147g HSTs and have about the same in 147g XTPs to develop loads in 38 Super. I have about 600 148g cast TCs from Rimrock in Polson MT to use as range and woods loads for it.

Barsto gave me a 12 to 16 week lead time for that. I called Kart and got Kyle Kart on the line. He had a super 5" barrel in stock finish reamed and crowned so I got it and the fitting kit for $275.00 delivered. I sent a request to Virgil Tripp for his fitting this, He completely reworked the ramp and barrel on my Guardian and it shot great but had a couple things DW needs to address so it has been at DW since October 24th waiting on repair/replace, I told them to NOT screw with the barrel ramp as it is perfect. I should have sent the whole pistol to Tripp not just the barrel. I have lost faith in DW at this point so I am building my own super. I really liked the Guardian, the perfect carry pistol in super. when it is running right. I hope I get it in time for the Bash in May as I am shooting at WC one day that week and want all my pistols I take running like a swiss watch. 2 45acps and 2 38 Supers if the powers that be start smiling down on me LOL

 

I have a Kart Xact fit barrel and fitting kit on the way. It is finish chambered and crowned and a good price. I am going to do this myself, one stroke at a time. I have full support from Kart and it will be a great project. it is equipped with the correct link for my frame and I will double check this with the factory barrel. It is a learning experience. it is what i got this pistol for. To learn I am sure I will have lots of questions and will post pics when I start.

 

Thank You for the encouragement, I endeavor to persevere.

 

My old Les Baer, with the 1 1/2” @ 50 yard group guarantee has a Kart barrel. I’m guessing it has 10k through it and it’s still a b#*#h to take apart. Can barely turn the bushing even with a steel wrench, and then have to use a brass punch to tap it out. Once the bushing is out, Getting the barrel out is almost as tough. I also have a Wilson that went to Rock River Arms, a long time ago and they fitted everything just as tight as the Baer and came back with an 1 1/2” group guarantee at 50 yards. Neither pistol has ever missed a beat. I have 2 full custom “open” guns that have hard fit barrels in them that are a little more accurate, but not by much. One open gun originally was a 38 Supercomp that I also had a 9mm barrel fitted, and the other is 9mm.
In MY pistols, Zero or Nosler jhps are the most accurate, but with the availability issues I’ve been using a lot of Precision Delta jhps and even though they aren’t as pretty, they’re very accurate out of MY pistols.
Your mileage may vary.
Good luck with your project.
let us know how it shoots.

 

I sent Virgil an email this morning asking if he would fit this up, Thanks for the extractor tip, some will and some won't when set up for 9mm. I didn't know all I needed to before I began the Super hunt last winter. And didn't know about the TJ or Supercomp rims. I bought 1000 pieces of twice fired Nickel Super Plus P brass for range and load development and got another 1000 from the same member a couple months later. It has been good brass, primer pockets still tight etc and I have run thru 1000 of them so far with zero issues. I don't mind if I have to leave them on the ground. The ones that primers slip in with less effort I set aside for using where I know I have to leave all my brass. I had 2 500 lots of new Starline plus P cases on backorder that got made last fall so I am well stocked with Super Plus P and will adjust or fit a new extractor with the barrel. I know better now and will probably go with the supercomp or TJ cases in the future after I have worn out 3000 plus cases I have on hand. LOL I started looking for components 14 months ago and all this brass just fell into my lap all at once LOL I couldn't find any for 4 5 months and all of a sudden, powders same way, I have had good results with every Super load I have tried so far. Titegroup for light 115g HAPs, N340, Unique and PP for 124g range loads and I have 3n37 still to try.

 

I sent Virgil an email this morning asking if he would fit this up,

Keeping my fingers crossed for you- that would be fantastic!- the best possible option if it materializes!!

I know better now and will probably go with the supercomp or TJ cases in the future

That's why I switched over the TJ. Both my Supers have 9mm barrels as well. And I went with TJ over SC since you can size them all the way down with a standard die.

 

Even if I shoot a match at an indoor range, I manage to lose 38 Supercomp brass. Outside, even at my local range that is mostly concrete and astroturf, I lose about 30%.
I use 99% Starline brass because in Supercomp, there isn’t a lot of choices.
I’ve always measured every piece of brass, during inspection, before loading and found that my 38 Supercomp brass shrinks quicker than any other caliber I’ve loaded. I don’t remember the exact measurement before I won’t load them because they headspace on the case mouth as is with most pistol calibers.

 

RH45, I am hesitant to load up a bunch of super rounds with out a Super barrel on hand to plunk and spin and shoot samples. I have all my previous load data that worked slickly in my Guardian to go by but I hate pulling apart loads. So I am waiting for a pistol to test them in.

 

I wouldn't load any without the barrel to plunk test them in either.
You would be surprised at how many people don't.