I have no experience with third generation S&W double stacks.



But I have six third generation S&W single stacks. And I will take any one of them over a CZ any day of the week. Not that CZ does not make good guns as they really do. But I prefer my S&W third gens over a lot of other guns when it gets down to it.

 

But I have six third generation S&W single stacks. And I will take any one of them over a CZ any day of the week. Not that CZ does not make good guns as they really do. But I prefer my S&W third gens over a lot of other guns when it gets down to it.

Why a S&W double stack over a CZ 75?

Eh, they are okay at best. The CZ75 is what I think is the best production 9mm you can get in terms of speed and accuracy for use in pistol games. Very reliable too in my experience.

IMO the "nicest" overall production handguns are SIG elite series or legion 226/229/220 in terms of feel, function, accuracy, finish and just are overall very nice guns. Always a good choice in my experience. Those are very closely followed by CZ75s and TS guns but once you step into the realm of "custom" guns or semi-custom 1911s the Sig offerings (The X5 and X6) don't keep up with the competition.

Are the Sig elite or legion series as good as the older regular production Sigs made in Germany?

FWIW, there are a couple of really good shops that mod CZs.

Yeah I agree here, the CZs suck for carry.

They do make an aluminum model.

I believe forum member jaypee has a history of the CZ75/CZ85 somewhere on the net. It is a good read and if I remember correctly, there is some transitional information dealing with the S&W TDA autos and the CZ75 series guns. You may want to track him down and see if he can link you to his article.

Thanks.

 

Eh, they are okay at best. The CZ75 is what I think is the best production 9mm you can get in terms of speed and accuracy for use in pistol games. Very reliable too in my experience.

IMO the "nicest" overall production handguns are SIG elite series or legion 226/229/220 in terms of feel, function, accuracy, finish and just are overall very nice guns. Always a good choice in my experience. Those are very closely followed by CZ75s and TS guns but once you step into the realm of "custom" guns or semi-custom 1911s the Sig offerings (The X5 and X6) don't keep up with the competition.

Plastic need not even apply at this level to be honest. Even HK is a joke compared to a lot of these seriously high end guns. I personally own nearly all major handgun variants so I don't have a horse in this race so to speak. All the stuff I use for carry or games are all custom guns. I mostly own the plastic guns just to have a fully rounded out collection.

 

My feelings as well, Although the only Sig I care for is the SAO Legion.

And yes...the current HK's are just a shell of what that company used to be.

 

Given yje choice between the CZ75 and the S&W's, I guess I like the Smith's the best. The 75 are nice guns but the older smiths just shoot and carry better for me.

 

Given yje choice between the CZ75 and the S&W's, I guess I like the Smith's the best. The 75 are nice guns but the older smiths just shoot and carry better for me.

Yeah I agree here, the CZs suck for carry.

 

I believe forum member jaypee has a history of the CZ75/CZ85 somewhere on the net. It is a good read and if I remember correctly, there is some transitional information dealing with the S&W TDA autos and the CZ75 series guns. You may want to track him down and see if he can link you to his article.

 

3rd gen.

 

For some reason I never warmed up to CZ-75s. For a short while I had a love affair with Smith 3rd Gens and owned three, but then quickly pared them down to just one (a 915). I wouldn't say they're better than a CZ but they were always excellent guns for what they were, and someday I might add more to my collection again. They had some of the best DA triggers of any of the "wondernine" clan and were built like tanks. But since they were never adopted by any elite military force they never seemed to get any respect.

 

Striker: See, I'm a bit of an odd duck. I can shoot the Smiths just fine and I love my Sig MK25 with the SRT kit enough that I'm horse trading on a second MK25. I know some people say that the modern Sigs are inferior to the old West German models but in my .02, my MK25 runs side by side with my friend Jim's West German Sig just fine and with the SRT it shoots a mite finer for the both of us. That said, I think the CZs have better ergonomics than the Sigs or Smiths but the trigger (even the more modern Omega) isn't on par OTB with the Sigs or Smiths.

This is all in the realm of opinion of course and others might feel differently.

DSK: That's pretty much the size of it. Unless it becomes an iconic movie gun like the Desert Eagle or Model 29 (wonder what John Wick has done for P30L sales) or it gets used by military units, especially the elite units. If the SEALs had rocked 5906 instead of the Sig or say it had seen mass adoption by our military forces, then it would likely still be produced and command a higher price tag and receive endless accolades.

 

Striker: See, I'm a bit of an odd duck. I can shoot the Smiths just fine and I love my Sig MK25 with the SRT kit enough that I'm horse trading on a second MK25. I know some people say that the modern Sigs are inferior to the old West German models but in my .02, my MK25 runs side by side with my friend Jim's West German Sig just fine and with the SRT it shoots a mite finer for the both of us. That said, I think the CZs have better ergonomics than the Sigs or Smiths but the trigger (even the more modern Omega) isn't on par OTB with the Sigs or Smiths.

This is all in the realm of opinion of course and others might feel differently.

DSK: That's pretty much the size of it. Unless it becomes an iconic movie gun like the Desert Eagle or Model 29 (wonder what John Wick has done for P30L sales) or it gets used by military units, especially the elite units. If the SEALs had rocked 5906 instead of the Sig or say it had seen mass adoption by our military forces, then it would likely still be produced and command a higher price tag and receive endless accolades.

No it is indeed not. The sig SRT trigger is quite awesome OTB but I am not sure if it is as good as an old sig at least when you are talking about the quality of the break.

I love everything about SIG ergos EXCEPT how high the dang slide rides in the frame, I mean really now? Nearly a full inch above the top of my hand to the impact point?

 

I can say in stock condition a s&w will have a shorter reach than a CZ . Beyond that you will have to pull the trigger on a few to decide . Mines a gen 2 669 and with a 8lb 4oz DA trigger pull and 3lb 7oz SA pull its a far better pull than stock CZ or any sig .

BUt my primary carry is a p320 compact 40 with a 5 minutes swap for a gray guns trigger kit it has a sweet 4lb 3oz short reset trigger that's still a safe to carry pistol with that longer first pull . I have no interest in a CZ or a classic sigs for carry and all ready have a couple 1.5" 50 yards handgun . DW revolvers !!

Kodadek Yea theres a old man that shows up at a forestry range in the early mornings with a 6" K frame with hardly a lick of blueing on it and shoots ole shotgun shells at 25 yards one handed and rarely miss's . Hes has a bullseye match history behind him . I have watched him shoot his ole 38sp 1911 jim clark built him 40 years ago and at 50 yards and hes still a scary accurate shooter still .

 

Kodadek Yea theres a old man that shows up at a forestry range in the early mornings with a 6" K frame with hardly a lick of blueing on it and shoots ole shotgun shells at 25 yards one handed and rarely miss's . Hes has a bullseye match history behind him . I have watched him shoot his ole 38sp 1911 jim clark built him 40 years ago and at 50 yards and hes still a scary accurate shooter still .

Yup. I've offered on a couple of the Sphinx SDP's I've seen on Armslist. Sadly none of them have been willing to ship, but I have asked a few of the guys selling them. A few of them seem like twenty-something year olds who bought it as a first handgun after seeing it in one of the tacticool rags like Recoil that don't have a lick of experience with DA/SA guns or guns in general and now they're moving on to the new hotness (how I also hope to score an M9A3 one day). The folks I know keeping theirs swear by them and more than a few of them are CZ or Sig owners as well. The SDP is building a dedicated base and I'm just waiting to score one off of someone with some post-purchase regret syndrome (PPRS).

 

I just have a need or a want for large heavy handgun specially if it has a limited aftermarket . Years ago when shooting matchs and prices were much lower I bought a SA Witness to use . Heck of a pistol and henningingshootsguns site was just getting up and running. It was a fine faster accurate shooter but as soon as I stopped shooting those matchs I sold it . I served no other need .

It does seem most of todays newbe shooter run out for a glock as they know its the best handgun made !! Yet there are a few that gota have have some really cool handgun , buy it . Don't want to haul it around and can't afford to shoot it much and up for sale it goes . I meet a few of that type too .

I buddy has a ,,, I have to look it up to be sure what models a friend has but one CZ is a pure SA and the pother is a compact 75 that has a safety instead of a decocker . Added some rajun cajun upgraded parts to both to get it how he wanted them . Nice pistols but he carrys a some compact CZ copy from Tri-Star .

Hang in there and you'll find a deal on a sphinx .

 

CZ makes the best non-1911 pistol out there. Accurate, reliable, durable, and well made. My PCR is the best concealed carry I have seen, and my CZ 75 SA is incredibly easy to shoot.

 

I heard the single action trigger on the CZ 75 SA is nicer than the single action trigger of the regular CZ 75.

 

Just used my Checkmate yesterday to shoot a 499/500 with 37 x ring hits. I would say CZs guns are still working well for me lol!

 

Got 2 5926s and a 5903. CZ Shadow on the way. My favorite is the 5903.

My complaint is that in order to swap grips, you have to unpin the mainspring. Also, takedown can be inconsistent. I have slide stops that won't pop out without using a pin. Other thing to watch out for is that it needs to be decocked otherwise the slide won't fully come back on reassembly, which normally isn't a concern in other guns.

 

I have guns from several different brands. Both of my CZs came from CZ Customs. The one I have for carry is their ProTek 1 model. It is a CZ75D Compact PCR, which had the aluminum frame. They do a good bit of gunsmithing on it with a lighter trigger pull, about 3.5lbs in single action. The gun is very accurate and reliable. My range gun is their CZ 75 Accu Shadow that has their short reset trigger, all steel, and a good many custom features they do that makes this gun truly awesome. This is my most accurate gun. The trigger measures about 2.5 lbs and the trigger reset is great. More accurate than my Kimber super match 2, for me. Both of these guns have had work done on them from CZ Customs, so unfair to compare to an over the counter Smith.

 

I REALLY like my 3rd gen smiths, but if I had to choose... CZ all the way. They make the best 9mm all steel gun (in general) on the planet. The high power is nice, but over rated IMO, and the CZ's are just well supported guns with a rabid following. The Smith's are nice, and I love them to death, but the accuracy and low recoil impulse of the CZ's are legendary for a reason. Neither are a bad choice, I just give the edge to CZ

 

The cz75 has been rated the number one pistol in 9mm. It's all over u tube in the gun reviews.

I waited three decades to purchased a pistol in 9mm. I chose a cz85db. It's a Amber dexterous cz75. She's been flawless and very accurate. I purchased a few cz82 / cz83's soon after they are flawless too. I been very happy with there quality.

With 3' of Kentucky windage with my cz85db I can make pin point shots at rocks on the berm at 100yds.

 

Well, you know what online ratings are worth...it's all really subjective in the end.

That said, I prefer the CZ to the others but the stock trigger on my Sig is far superior to a stock CZ (subjective and opinion) but a CZ trigger can be tuned but then so again a SIgs can as well.

It all comes down to the shooter.

 

Just an update: I am likely getting a 5906 in the next couple of days...I'm working on a trade for a CZ PCR or P01 as well, and I'm thinking that I might do a side by side by side comparison of them with my Sig MK25. Tabletop first and then a little range time. I'd like to compare ammo feeding, trigger pull weight, accuracy, etc...I'm partially curious because my MK25 will eat anything, get put away filthy, and then chomp through two hundreds rounds of steel case ammo like they were high quality handloads, and even with that cheap ammo still make 3-4 inch ragged holes at fifteen yards. Wondering how the CZs and the last testament to S&Ws prowess (I don't like M&P anything...suck it fanboys) stack up against my 9mm garbage disposal.

 

The CZ will live, trust me lol! I actively tried to get mine to fail and couldn't

 

What are the double stack mag 3rd generation S&Ws like compared to the CZ 75?

I have both. I like the CZ a lot. I love the Smiths; mostly because of the many semi-autos I've owned over the years, nothing has been as utterly reliable as my 3rd generation Smiths. Nothing.

 

Tough call, as I love both pistols.there are much more parts for the CZ, since the awsome 3rd gen pistol, were repalced by an over-priced plastic Glock wannabe that stole a name from a more significant handgun, many years ago. Comparing the 2 pistols, the CZ can hold two more in the magzine, though that is meaningless, because 2 rounds is not going make you or break you. The S&W has a barrel bushing giving it potential for a tight lock up. The CZ has internal frame rails, which siad to be a more accurate design, not sure if I believe that though. I would not let parts availability be the deciding factor, as nether one of these guns are known to break. I would get the Smith, just because they are not being made anymore. CZ 75s, and their various clones are more than plentiful new and used.You cant go wrong either way.

 

Pretty much. You can find 4 digit Smiths at good prices but in a few decades I don't think that you will, whereas I don't see CZ going anywhere with the 75 series anytime soon.

 

It is to bad s&w walked away from a great handgun with there all metal handguns . Guess that's what profit does to productions . I shoot a number of CZ's over the last 15 years but just I guess I find the average CZ more like a glock to other striker pistols . It works well but it does not ring any bells for me . Its just another opinion to look at and try on your way to what each of us like .

Strker2237 . Sorry but had to have a good laugh when you mention your 3000 dollar plus checkmate . Are there bad handguns at that price range ?? Nope only bad shooters . I could buy a clark bullseye pistol with a aimpoint for that kind of money .

 

Slide mounted safety/decockers are an abomination.