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Combat Commander 70 with flat MSH

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#1 ·
May I ask the collectors here? Has anyone has got the information whether Colt sold Combat Commander series 70, 9mm which Flat MSH + Lanyard loop is installed on it? I have just seen one gun but I'm not sure whether it is its original part. Because I couldn't find any related info on it.
Therefore I would like to know more info about it before making decision to buy. If I'm not wrong, I saw one who posted that it was presented on Colt brochure in 1974, it would be great if anyone can help to post the picture.
Thank you in advance for the information sharing and your help. :)
 
#3 ·
Could be wrong but most likely a replacement MSH. After grips and things like recoil springs the MSH is very easy to change out on one of these pistols. It is also not a real expensive part. The important thing about the pre 80 Series Commander would be the serial number so you can nail down when it was made after 1970 when the Combat Commander was introduced.
 
#5 ·
Below is an example of a pre 80 Series Combat Commander. This one in .45ACP and made in 82. Combat Commanders were made from about 1970 to 1983. In 1983 Colt introduced the Series 80 mechanical firing pin safety. From 1970 to about 1975 the factory grips were sandblasted wood with Nickle meds and then Colt switched to the checkered grips with Gold meds as on the 82 below.

 
#6 ·
I bought a lightweight commander new in September 79 that looked just like the one pictured above. Checkered grips and I only saw arched mainspring housings on Commanders unless they were changed by the owner. If memory serves me correctly I paid $250 plus tax and since it was lightweight it kicked like a mule.
 
#8 ·
I would like to thank you to all of your comments. And I apologize that my writing may make a confusion, it should not be written as combat commander series 70 but I meant combat commander made during '70-'80 (or pre-80).

I have tried to search more and I have seen this post.....

https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=467092

not sure whether there has the other posts which may related to my question.

The gun I expected to buy is very similar to the one posted on the above link (also same 9mm).

Sorry that I still haven't get a chance to take its picture to show here, I saw it only one time and get very curious about it. So, wanna know more about it.

If anyone have got more info., please kindly share. Thank you.
 
#13 ·
Officially Colt Commander pistols would've come with an arched housing, but Colt was never a company to throw anything away and various oddball parts often found their way onto new guns. Note the one pictured in the ad above seems to have a lanyard loop on the housing. Understand however that it might not be a real pistol, for you can see that the Series 70 Government Model is actually a pre-Series 70 with Series 70 rollmarks on the slide. I've seen images of that exact same pistol in earlier ads where it had the proper pre-70 rollmarks, so what we're looking at is the result of an artist's touch. The Commander might be the same way.
 
#14 ·
The original Commander came with an arched aluminum mainspring housing with no loop. In 1970 Colt introduced the Commander in a steel frame with a arched steel housing, again with no loop. The slides were marked Colt's Combat Commander Model just like the government models were marked Colt's Government Model. However they were not marked with the MK IV designation as Colt marked these to differentiate the new collect barrel bushing that was only used on the Government Model and Gold Cup Model after 1970. Once the steel frame was introduced Colt then began to call the Commander the "lightweight model. Commanders originally had a LW suffix to denote the lightweight frame which was changed to CLW pre fix due to the new serialization rules of the GCA of 1968. Since the steel frame was introduced in 1970 they were numbered with the 70 BS for blue guns and 70 SC for the satin nickel guns. In 1980 this changed to 80 BS. But they were never referred to as series 70 guns either in lightweight or steel versions. None of my Commanders both aluminum, a 1950 and 1951, or my steel Combat Commander from 1975 have loops.
 
#16 ·
Technically they are pre-80 Series.

Of course as we all know Colt now uses the Series 70 designation on any 1911 without the firing pin safety, which is why the Wiley Clapps are called Series 70 models. All it does however is confuse new people and annoy the old farts who remember when it only referred to the finger-collet barrel bushing.
 
#17 ·
I have an original from the factory 1970's combat commander in 45 acp that is all steel, and has a slide that has all the internal lightening cuts and came with a smooth flat lanyard loop mainspring housing.
I have been told several times that Colt never built one this way, but guess what, mine came brand new exactly this way.
Never assume that variations , possibly in small quantities were not produced, even if never catelouged .
Plus as many know using up old stock parts was and still is a common occurrence, so there may be many more "unknowns"out there.
 
#18 ·
That mainspring housing was probably a leftover from Colt's WW1 commemorative series. Like I said they never threw anything away, not even mis-marked slides.

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