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Full length guide rod vs 2 piece

7.5K views 23 replies 20 participants last post by  OldCowhand  
#1 ·
I am reltively new to the 1911 world, have shot many, but until recently, owned none.

I now have a recently purchased Colt M45A1, and even more recently, a SA TRP.

The Colt I am not so concerned about, I do not plan to shoot it, just being a former Marine and like to own it!

The SA however is being shipped to me as we speak. The former owner replaced the 2 piece guide rod with a WC GI full length rod. He is including the original 2 piece as well.

So I know the obvious difference between the two. The number of pieces. Besides that, I do not fully know the pros and cons of each. I have seen a few posts here, but none really compare the two. From what I have seen, the FLGR seems to be favored. But why, and what are the advantages? If a 2 piece can be replaced by a full length for next to nothing, why do manufacturer's bother with the 2 piece in the first place? Are there distinct advantages for the 2 piece besides a shave off the cost?

TIA
 
#2 ·
The difference is that a 2 piece guide rod can come unscrewed and separate while shooting. You don't want to locktite them because then you won't be able to easily disassemble the gun for cleaning. I had one in my Springfield Loaded when I got it, threw that thing in the trash where it belongs, and replaced it with a GI guide rod & plug. Why Springfield insists on using them is beyond me, they're just a failure waiting to happen from where I sit.
 
#23 ·
I installed a heavy Recoil spring and a 2 piece group griper guide rod on an inexpensive 1911 45 made in the Philippines. Early 90's a $350 1911 to learn on was a good deal and it shot respectable ''4 groups at 25 yds but it had failure to load issues. The heavy spring made it reliable and it groups at ''3 and its never gotten loose. When I clean it I degrease the threads. I bought a Springfield that came with a 2 piece I'm no expert but I once read the 2 piece guide rod works better with heavier return springs. I have a flat spring FLGR on a 9mm. Try decreasing the threads before you trash the 2 piece.
 
#7 ·
Seems like a couple of my bull barrel builds there is no way a 1 piece full length would work, even with the little hole. Least ways I can't assemble the 2 piece first and then get it into the slide from the rear with the barrel installed. Won't angle enough to clear the lower lugs. Need to go in through the front with the front half. PITA.
 
#9 ·
I'm not a fan of full length guide rods but I once had a two piece rod. I cleaned the threads with denatured alcohol, applied clear fingernail polish and put it together. No amount of shooting would cause it to unscrew and it was easy to take apart when necessary. Fingernail polish is easy enough to clean up and reapply. I've used it for years on screws that might back out because of vibrations - scope mount screws, for example - and never had one loosen.
 
#14 ·
Two piece full length guide rods are notorious for coming apart. That said, I recall an instance with a fellow shooter where a one piece full length guide---5" gov't model---somehow got out of alignment while the gun was being shot, binding up where the rod passes through the plug. Suffice it to say, I've never seen something like that happen with a standard (short or GI style) guide rod.
 
#16 ·
I've used both one-piece and two-piece rods. I've never had a two-piece rod unscrew itself and if I did, a little blue loctite would take care of it and still be easy to disassemble.

Frankly, I think the one piece rods are a real PITA at disassembly time. Having to mess with a paper clip or some other thing to hold the plug back with the spring compressed sometimes feels like you need three hands. I've dumped all my one-piece rods for two-piece rods and never looked back.
 
#21 ·
I have two piece rods in my guns. I have never had any of them unscrew while firing, and if one of them did, it is an easy matter to lock the slide back and screw it back down. However the two piece rod gets the front extension taken off for serious work, and that has never been a problem when shooting the pistols, either as the "long" rod or the "short" rod. The front extension gets taken off in case I ever have to brace the slide and rack the slide, either to load or clear a jam. It hasn't happened in all these years, but so what? Every poster here hasn't died at the time of their posting, but they will at some point, so anything can happen at any time, and I figure it hurts nothing to unscrew it and leave half off, like John built it, or have some extra weight out front for fun and games. What I like, what every poster here likes, doesn't matter, what do YOU like? That is what YOU should have,
 
#22 ·
I have about 4 or 5 of each. The 2 piece is easier to work with for me but they can come loose. I have a Colt 38 special auto I was using 2.9 grains of Bullseye to function. One day I installed a guide rod and was able to drop the charge to 2.5 and it will go lower and it is smoother and quieter when I rack it The guide rod definitely helped this gun. I also have a couple of 1911's that don't have them.